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Q3. Revelation 12:11 could be considered a theme verse for the book. What does it mean? Who is overcome? In what sense do we have victory if we die in the process? What does the "blood of the Lamb" have to do with this? How does loving our lives prevent spiritual victory today? (See Luke 14:25-27; Matthew 10:37-39.)

Pastor Ralph, on Oct 11 2003, 09:14 AM, said:

The one who is overcome is satan, the dragon, the old serpent, the devil. We have the victory in the Spirit. The Blood of our Savior Jesus Christ is God the Father's purchase price for us: Born Again types. We had to die to the flesh to be born of The Spirit; so now we will have to prove that we are not just hypocritical ; saying one thing with our mouth, but discounting that testimony entirely by our actions. Love ...Bro. Al

"He who saves his life, will lose it
He who dies for me will live for ever"

It is clear when you have a sober mind
to see the Path that leads to the Kingdom
of God where Jesus sits at the rt. hand of the
Father.

Be with God alwys . Jesus A.

Revelations12:11 means to me the faithful followers of the Lamb are victorious because of the blood of the Lamb which was victorious at the cross over Satan and by living lives that were faithful to His Word which is the truth and they loved God more than their own lives. It is Satan who is overcome. If we die in the process of being faithful to the Lamb we are immediately with Him forever protected. Our strength lies with having the Lord Jesus as the captain of our salvation. The blood is the scource of that strength (it was shed for us). If our affections are with this world they are not with the other nature, which prevents spiritual victory.

I pray for our church (us) that we would be faithful for our Lord andwhen we fall down we would get up and when we fall down we would get up etc. Everyday we are in this battle and it never gets any bettter while we are on this earth. The world needs its remnant and that's us.

God Bless

Jen

To the Christian death is victory. We are removed from this world to live in the Heavenly realm. What greater victory can there be? It is the blood of the Lamb which gives us our passagge way to Heaven. Our natural instinct is not to leave family and frieds but what a better place we go to. And to th ink of all the old friends we will se again what a glorious day it will be.

The blood of the Lamb is a metaphorical reference to God's provision for our reconnection with Him: Christ. Not by works, but by faith.

We cannot fight spiritual principalities in our own power, but we can join Him in His fight. Jesus encouraged us to keep the faith by assuring us that "I have already overcome the world (Satan)." That's a claim that I can put my hope in despite my pitiful efforts to live an exemplary life in this realm.

This verse is a great verse it covers the heavenly defeat of satan and we have overcome him by the Power of the Blood of Jesus (the Lamb) the witness of believers and the martyrdom of some of the saints, dying for the faith. - - dying in the flesh. In the end we are redeemed and God's kingdom will be restored. Glory to God!

Pastor Ralph, on Oct 11 2003, 09:14 AM, said:

What does it mean?
The faithful witness has concurred. God has won! Jesus’ enemies are made his footstool. The people of God have salvation, His kingdom has come, it has been established and the accuser has been cast down.
Who is overcome?
The great dragon, the serpent of old, the Devil; Satan who deceives the whole world
In what sense do we have victory if we die in the process?
Those who believe in Jesus Christ have victory because we have been justified by faith and sanitified though Him. The Victory is in knowing that we are His.
What does the "blood of the Lamb" have to do with this?
Rom. 3:21-25 ---It is through Jesus Christ’s shed blood that we have redemption.
How does loving our lives prevent spiritual victory today?
If we deny our Lord and love our life’s more than Christ we can not be His disciple. Whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me (Luke 14:27)

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That does it mean ?
Even when things look dark and the situation scary God can and will have victory.
Who is overcome?
Satan and his followers are cast down and evil is overcome
In what sense do we have victory if we die in the process ?
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.(KJV)
how does loving our lives prevent spiritual victory today? I look at John 12 and Matthew 19 which basically state that the things of this world are weights tied to our ankles preventing us from rising to heaven

susan

The critical blow to Satan came when the lamb, Jesus Christ shed his blood for our Sins. The victory is won by sacrifice---Christ sacrifice for sin. As we face the battle with satan, we should not fear it or try to escape from it, but loyally serve Christ who along brings victory. There is nothing wrong with loving our lives, it is when we let loving our lives come before God that prevent spiritual victory. God is a jealous God, but a God of love. If we die in Christ we shall live again

It means that the people of God were able to overcome the enemy by the blood of the Lamb and by their testimony and for not loving their lives unto death -- holding on to what they have believed since they were born again, their confession of faith to God, and surrendering their everything even their lives into the hands of God believing that God will honor His word and fulfill His word and His promise to them that believed. Hallelujah!!!

The enemy is overcome. Satan is defeated.

If we die in the process, we have the victory in the sense that knowing who our enemy is, we fought a good fight, kept the faith and pressed on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called us heavenward in Christ Jesus. We remained faithful witnesses even in times of hardships, trials and persecutions, by God's grace. Glory to God!!!

The blood of the Lamb was the sacrifice for the atonement of our sins and we were made at-one with God. We can overcome the enemy by the blood of the Lamb, he (the enemy) can no longer accuse us of our sins because Jesus took them all by dying on the cross for us. Hallelujah!!!

Loving our lives prevent spiritual victory today because we will not be able to do the will of God fully. We can't go freely where God wants us to go spiritually. We can't fully trust God to do His will in our lives.

The question is, who can stand? They are those who have conquered with the Lamb, who have been washed in the blood, who have been sealed by babtism. We must have great love for Christ and accept in faith and face the threat of destruction. In that way we will find eternal life. We cannot deny the Savior. We have a life, a gift from God, and we can love and protect that life, but not to the exclusion of not loving the Lord.

It was by the blood Jesus' obedience to die such a horrific death and the blood he shed on the cross that bought us back from eternal death for our sins to eternal life.

If we love our lives too much and insist on doing things "our way" we will not be a witness for the Word. We have to die to self in order for Jesus to be Lord of our life.

We are over-comers; Over-coming this world, sin and our enemy satan, all through and by, the Blood of the Lamb. (selah!)

'And let us not be weary in well doing; for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not' [Gal.6:9] The Glories of Heaven awaits all those that 'weary not'...that over-come, until the end. This is our blessed hope.

Jesus, at Calvary and on that long ago morning, when He arose from out of the grave, over-came death..so as we are in Him, we are over-comers of death as well; so whether we go by way of the grave, or are caught up with Him in the air, death has no hold on us...Praise God!


What a promise!!!!

Christians overcame satan by Christ's atoning blood, by bearing witness of Christ, by standing firm for Christ, by not bowing down to satan, even though it meant death, for in death we have victory, for we gave our lives to stand for Christ. Loving our lives usually means we are a lovers of the world, the world is the world of men with God left out, if we do this we are preventing spiritual victory for we are loving what sinful men love and we are not setting ourselves apart from the world, which is our love for God which marks us apart from the world.

The meaning is the faithful wittness has won, God is in control and Jesus has made his enemy his footstool just as the word has said he would. The one that was overcome is Satan his rule on earth is at an end. The ones that believe in Jesus Christ have the victory and the victory is knowing we belong to Jesus. It was through the shedding of the blood that we are redeamed. When we love our live more than we do the Lord we are not fit to be called a child of the King.

It means the faithful witness has won and Jesus has made his enemy his footstool. Satan has been cast down and the kingdom of God is at hand.
Satan the deceiver has been overcome.
Those who have excepted Jesus as their savior by faith will know they have the victory in knowing Jesus and excepting him as Lord of their life.
It is only through the blood of Jesus that we have redemption.
If we choose to live in this world and follow after this world we shall have no part with Jesus. We must deny this world take up our cross and follow after Jesus as all who will enter the heaven of rest will have to do. This world is not my home I am just passing through it is in heaven with Jesus that I shall have victory.

Overcome: Satan, the dragon, serpent, the devil.

Blood of the Lamb is Jesus Christ.

"He who loves father and mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it."

The people that give out the gosple would rather do God's work. That is there #1 goal in life. Their reward is being with God for eternity. These people are the overcomers. The blood of the Lamb made us clean. Loving ourselve prevents us from giving out the gospel because we don't want to take risk by being pursegcuted.

The assurance Christ gives us is his blood. We are one family and God is our Father, Jesus our brother and nothing is going to happen to us unless they allow it to happen. To be effective in our own life and as a witness for others we need to live like this world is already dead and gone, if we do not then it has a hold on us and so does the god of this world. Everything can be a sacrifice even our very life.