Q2. Jesus' Sinlessness
#2
Posted 28 February 2004 - 07:49 PM
Jesus's sinlessness is critical in that God's law required that blood be spilt over the atonement for sin. If Christ had any sin, He would have to pay with his own blood. But (praise be to God) Christ was sinless paving the way for those to accepting His gift to be saved.
In what way do you think Jesus suffered when your sins were poured into his soul?
I think Christ's greatest suffereing came when God, the Father, had to "look away". This separation came at the cross, when Jesus exclaimed: in Matt 27:46 "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
How could a sinless Man stand this kind of corruption?
Part of how Christ could have stood such corruption was because Jesus was obedient to the Father. In that obedience, Jesus could stand against the sinful corruption of those that brought this violence upon Him.
#3
Posted 29 February 2004 - 01:51 PM
Jesus suffered when my sins were poured into his soul because they are filthy as rags. God cannot abide sin, and Jesus, being God would have suffered greatly with just my sins alone which number in the millions but one sin - only one sin would cause Him to suffer greatly. So all those sins heaped on Him would cause great suffering. Sometimes my own sins cause me great suffering and I know I could never endure them without the love of the Father. I think Jesus endured all that sin because He knew the Father and the Father knew Him. He was being obedient to the Father. He came into this world to accomplish what He was doing.
#4
Posted 29 February 2004 - 10:49 PM
#5
Posted 01 March 2004 - 01:30 AM
#6
Posted 01 March 2004 - 02:21 PM
Only a perfect sacrifice could be offered for forgiveness of sins. In the Old Testament, a perfect animal had to be sacrificed. If there were the slightest imperfection, the offering was rejected. Translated to New Testament terms, we all need forgiveness for our sins. Only a perfect person could take our place--as the perfect lamb was used in the Old Testament. A perfect person could not have sinned, or then he/she would not be perfect! No other person has ever been sinless--only the Lord Jesus! No sinful person could reconcile another sinful person to the Holy God! Only Jesus could save us from our sins by taking our rightful punishment--death--for us!
I think the suffering of Jesus was intensified to the ultimate when my filthy sins were poured on Him! Physical suffering was horrible, but could not begin to match the terrible emotional and spiritual pain of being made sin--and being by that sin separated from God the Father!
How could He have stood that pain? I don't know. I'm sure that was a great part of His desire for God to have another way to bring this about. But, in the Garden, He prayed--with drops of blood for sweat, the pain was so great--that "nevertheless, Thy will be done!" Oh Lord, forgive us!
#7
Posted 01 March 2004 - 04:47 PM
#8
Posted 01 March 2004 - 05:57 PM
#9
Posted 01 March 2004 - 08:19 PM
2b. In what way do you think Jesus suffered when your sins were poured into his soul? Look at the sixth and ninth hour of the day as He hung on the cross, Jesus cried out; "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Jesus experienced the darkness and anguish resulting from separation from God that we should be receiving. The best we can say how terrible this was is only by the words of Jesus in Mark 9:47-48 used "It is better for you to enter the Kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where 'their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'" All we know it will be great distress for those who will be facing a resurrection of condemnation.
2c. How could a sinless Man stand this kind of corruption? Knowing the promise that God would deliver Him. Through His faithful obedience to His Father. "Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11) Amen!! So be it!!
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#10
Posted 02 March 2004 - 12:37 AM
#11
Posted 02 March 2004 - 01:51 AM
It is only by the will of God and LOVE that a sinless man stand this kind of corruption. He bore our sins so we could die to sin and live for righteouness.
Oh, God how I thank you that you love me so!
#12
Posted 02 March 2004 - 06:26 PM
Because that was the only acceptable way that we could obtain salvation. II Cor. 5:21 tells us that God took the sinless Christ and poured into Him our sins, and then He poured God's goodness into us. What a wonderful exchange for us!
In what way do you think Jesus suffered when your sins were poured into his soul?
He suffered because He had never been separated from His Father; but at the time our sins were poured into His soul, God had to turn His back on our loving Saviour, since He could not look upon sin. Christ was completely alone, hanging there on the cross for our sin.
How could a sinless Man stand this kind of corruption?
Only through obedience to His Father and unconditional love for us. He knew that God was in complete control of the situation, and that this was the plan devised by God for us to obtain salvation.
As the song goes, "It wasn't nails that held Jesus to the cross; it was His love for us that made Him pay the cost." Only His kind of love could make such a willing sacrifice!
#14
Posted 03 March 2004 - 12:13 AM
Pastor Ralph, on Feb 25 2004, 11:12 PM, said:
The pattern of the Old Covenant was a shadow of what was to come. Col 2:17; Heb 8:5, 10:1 Sacrifices were made of spotless animals as an act of faith pointing to the offering of the spotless Lamb of God. Heb 9:14. These sacrifices could not take away sins Heb 10:4 and had to be offered continually. Even the priest had to offer sacrifice for his sin. The sinlessness of Christ is crucial in understanding my salvation because this sacrifice was once and for all. There is no need for Jesus to be crucified over and over for me. The atonement is complete and finished, there is nothing left to be done. When I come to Christ all my sin past present and future are forgiven. There is no more conscience of sin as He has entered into the Holy of Holies to offer His own blood as a perfect atonement. He now ever lives to make intercession for me. Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Therefore as this propitiation is perfect and complete I can rest from my own works as I have now entered into the Sabbath of God. Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.
We have all seen and experienced the pain and suffering and sorrow that our sin has inflicted on us and what it has done in others. What person among us has not wept when we behold the unimaginable grief that sin has caused in this world? Sometimes my own sin causes me such agony and pain I don't know if I can bear it. Have we not heard of those who could not bear it and took their own lives? How can I imagine Jesus having my sin poured into His righteous soul? I don't want to think of Him bearing all the grief and sorrow I have tasted. Now imagine the sin of all mankind being poured into that soul? No wonder He cried
Matthew 26:38... My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. No wonder an angel had to come and strengthen Him.
One of the most remarkable experiences of my life was when I became a father. It's been quite a few years now, but the memories are still fresh. The love that enveloped me was intoxicating. There is nothing I would not do for my children, nothing I would not endure. I'm sure we have all heard stories of parents who literally went through fire for their children. You ask how a sinless man could stand this kind of corruption, I think love. Love that beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 1Cor 13:7 He could see down the aeons of time Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. The sufferings of this present time were to Him not worthy to be compared with the glories that would be revealed.
#15
Posted 03 March 2004 - 04:11 AM
2. Jesus suffered my sins from the very beginning when He began to sweat blood in Gethsemane ( oil press) and from then on until He gave His last drop of blood on the cross. He suffered all this time.
3. Only through His great Love for mankind.
#16
Posted 03 March 2004 - 01:31 PM
Again Jesus not only suffered a gruesome brutal physical death, He bearing my sin experienced the Father's wrath against sin.
He who had known nothing but a perfect relationship with God became conscious of the break in that fellowship, what worse fate could there be?
It was Jesus will that He be a substitute for us, how Jesus stood this corruption only one way LOVE.
#17
Posted 04 March 2004 - 01:31 AM
The sacrifice had to be pure and without blemish or it would not have been accepted by God.
In what way do you think Jesus suffered when your sins were poured into his soul?
I believe that His physical suffering was beyond our imagination, but His spiritual suffering had to be worse. When our sins were poured into His soul and He was separated from God, even for just a few minutes, that was devastating to Jesus, who had lived a sinless and obedient life up to that point.
How could a sinless Man stand this kind of corruption?
Because He had so much love for us in His heart, and He was being obedient to His Father. He knew why He had come to earth to live among us, and He was doing His Father’s Will.
There is more joy in Jesus in 24 hours than there is in the world in 365 days. I know, I've tried them both.
#18
Posted 04 March 2004 - 12:48 PM
It would have to be the biggest shock unimaginable when sins were poured into Jesus' soul - completely foreign to Him.
Jesus could only stand it because of the glory that was set before Him - because He saw the finished result, and for love of His Father and of us. In His final prayer before the cross in John 17:
(1) He asks Father to bring Him into the glory
(2) He asks that His disciples see His glory.
Luke 24:26 Jesus speaks of Christ suffering to enter His glory.
1Peter 1:11 speaks of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow.
In other words, Jesus had a vision of what He would achieve, which could only be achieved by way of the cross.
#19
Posted 04 March 2004 - 06:23 PM
#20
Posted 05 March 2004 - 12:47 AM
There's no other perfect but the Father.

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