Q3. Jesus the Human Being
#3
Posted 26 April 2005 - 11:45 AM
Pretending is defined in Webster's dictionary as: "to give a false appearance of being, possessing, or performing, to make believe."
I do not think Jesus was pretending to be a man, I do not think He was trying to perform like one; I do not think He was making believe He was one. I think He chose to be as one, I think He put aside His glory, His power, His position, to be as we are and be born of a woman. He chose to take on a human form, yet that does not erase who He was then and is today.
To be a sacrifice for our sins required Him to be like us in all ways. He could not stop being who He was when He lived with the Father. What He could do was become us in all ways. In His earthly body He was like us, yet everything He endured was allowed. We had no control over Him. Remember when He spoke to Pilate, He told Pilate you have no power over me, other than that which was given to you from above. (Paraphrased) This tells me that He was still one with the Father, one in all ways. Was He in human form, I believe so, when He was with us prior to the resurrection.
What do these verses teach?
I think it shows us that if we are to be His disciples we must adopt His ways. We must do the things that He commands us to do within the bible which is our guide. I think we must study, learn and allow our minds to be renewed through His word, to learn His ways, to love one another, to be one in unity and peace. A great example of this is found in Acts 2:42-47, it speaks of the church and how individuals existed and where blessed by God.
What difference does it really make whether or not Jesus was human?
If God had not taken human form He could not have experienced pain, hunger, temptation, or any other feeling or emotion. If he only acted out because He could not experience anything then it would have been false. In God there is no variation, no deception, nothing negative. He had to take on human form for us to see the significance of His actions, understand the pain suffered and be able to comprehend the sacrifice made.
This is a very difficult subject and one that is written about in many books. In my studies I have come to realize that the bible is the best teacher of itself. The Holy Spirit guides me and helps me to understand it. All I have to do is apply myself. I urge each of you to do the same if you haven’t already. Studies like this are great for learning, yet it is the individual study that God will bless you for. God bless.
Jose
#4
Posted 26 April 2005 - 12:33 PM
yes i believe that he was a human being. yet i believe this is GOD in human form. so it was done out of choice.
What do these verses teach?
that GOD belittled himself (humility) by becoming human. but because he's our father he did this to save us from our selves and the devil.
What difference does it really make whether or not Jesus was human?
well in the old testament when things got out of hand GOD illminated the evil with a flood. and the evil returned
it didn't give these humans the chance of seeing thier wrong doings and being able to start anew.
yet when he sent Jesus to forgive our sins it made it alright to make mistakes as long as you acknowledged them asked JESUS or GOD for forgiveness and learned from it and were truly sorry for what you did. hoping to not repeat it.(don't forget this is GOD you're dealing with he knows if you're full of it or not)
#5
Posted 26 April 2005 - 02:20 PM
If Jesus Christ, fully God, had not become fully human, He could not have redeemed us. In order to buy us back, the Redeemer had to be a near relative, had to be a kinsman. In order to take on Man's punishment for sin, Jesus had to be human.
But if He were not fully God at the same time, then He would not have been perfect, without sin. His sacrifice would have been blemished, imperfect, and therefore worthless. He had to be God-man.
He had to have both natures -- fully God, fully man. Aren't we all so very thankful that He took this upon Himself, -- He who knew no sin becoming sin, so that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Amazing truth... amazing love.
#6
Posted 26 April 2005 - 03:05 PM
It makes a huge difference that Jesus was human - I don't believe He needed to be in order to know what we go through - God knows everything! I believe we needed Him to be in order to understand what He chose to go through for us.
What a wonderful, amazing God to love us so much.
#7
Posted 26 April 2005 - 03:49 PM
Of course He was a human being. I don't know how anyone who has read the bible could deny this. I do not see how any Christian could go down the road of saying He could pretend. He did no sin, in Him was no sin, He knew no sin, He was undefiled, He could not sin because He was still God.
What do these verses teach?
I am amazed at His humility and His great love for me. Whenever I read them I love Him even more.
What difference does it really make whether or not Jesus was human?
Jesus had to become a Man in order to be our Substitute and bear our punishment. There was none other good enough. Also He showed us how to model our lives, and He shows us He understands, and I think that when we reach heaven we will not see God the Father but we will see God the Son because He put upon Himself humanity.
#8
Posted 26 April 2005 - 05:34 PM
These verses teach us that Jesus came to us as a servant, and as a human, having voluntarily put aside his deity.
If Jesus was only pretending to be human,and we knew it, His example would have been of no value to us. His death on the cross would not have significance for us if he merely “pretended” to die on the cross for us.
#9
Posted 26 April 2005 - 05:35 PM
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[color=blue]3a.) Fully human and fully divine.[/color]
3.) (2:7-8) What do these verses teach?
[color=blue]3b.) I think I answered it in question two. Jesus left His fellowship with the Father, to take on the imperfect body of man.[/color]
3c.) (2:7-8) What difference does it really make whether or not Jesus was human?
[color=blue]3c.) The writer of Hebrews reminds us: "[/color][color=purple]For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin[/color][color=blue]." (Hebrews 4:15) C.S. Lewis noted, "The higher one is on the order of being, the greater the temptation to disobey." [/color]
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#10
Posted 26 April 2005 - 07:51 PM
If He were not a human being He could not save us from our sin. Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us; for it is written 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.' What great love is this!
#11
Posted 26 April 2005 - 09:47 PM
(a) Was Jesus really a human being or only pretending to be one?
Jesus was really a human being.
(b) What do these verses teach us?
These verses teach us that the references to his being in human "likeness" and "appearance" do not mean that He did not become fully human but point to the fact that He was not fully describable in human terms. Though fully human and sharing humanity's likeness, He was more than human; He retained His divine nature as well.
© The difference it really makes whether or not Jesus was human is being human we can relate to Jesus. We can feel to some extent His suffering and agony on the Cross. We also know that Jesus because He was human can relate to our situations: Temptation; Death of Loved ones; sickness, etc. Jesus came to live on earth and we know He understands us living as a human being here. It makes a bond, a connection. We can follow Jesus because He set an example for us, He was obedient to God's purposes and He humbled Himself.
#12
Posted 26 April 2005 - 10:09 PM
These verses teach that He was a human being. That He literally was born of a virgin. That He came in the flesh. He hungered, He thirst, He wept.
The difference it makes that as a man in the flesh we can understand somewhat of the suffering He did. We know that He was tempted as we are, He felt the emotions we feel. He has been where we are walking today and this should encourage us to run the race for Him and not give up.
Praise God for His Son!! The giver of life!!
#13
Posted 26 April 2005 - 10:56 PM
#14
Posted 27 April 2005 - 09:54 AM
If Jesus wasn't human then His whole visit to earth was a sham. That cannot be, because God is not a liar!
#15
Posted 27 April 2005 - 02:54 PM
If Jesus was pretending He would have been sinning, then He would not have been the perfect sacrifice, that is why He laid His Godstuff aside. He was like a man like a human but was without sin, perfect. Sent to die for us and be our example on how to live a full live - - - holy and set apart.
Jesus had to become man because He was taking man's place on the cross. For our sins, we should have been crucified - - - in order to die for us and to be raised again - - - he had to become man - - He took our place.
#16
Posted 29 April 2005 - 07:28 PM
WE MUST BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS AND IT SAYS THAT JESUS WAS " BORN" OF A VIRGIN. THE WORD SAYS IT -- I BELIEVE IT! OTHERWISE THE WHOLE BIBLE WOULD BE A LIE. I KNOW HIM TO BE REAL..
#17
Posted 30 April 2005 - 02:02 AM
[color=green]"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 Joh 1:7)[/color]
He was God and man. He was God, because only God without blemish can atone for our sins. We cannot do it on our own, as we are sinful beings and are unable to please God’s perfect holiness.
Jesus has to be human to die for the sins of humanity. He took our place on the cross and suffered the wrath of the Father.
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#18
Posted 30 April 2005 - 11:49 AM
It makes all the difference in the world whether or not Christ was human. He could not have been an authentic substitute for humanity in taking our sins to the cross if He hadn’t been human. Heb.4:15 says He was tempted in every way that we are tempted, yet never sinned. But God cannot be tempted. Matt.26 records how He agonized in Gethsemane about completing the Father’s will through the suffering of the cross, asking 3 times if there was another way. Yes, He chose to accept it, but the choice was made in excruciating distress. But God would not have had such a struggle. I think His humanity is clear.
#19
Posted 30 April 2005 - 01:25 PM
Pastor Ralph, on Mar 20 2005, 10:56 PM, said:
To me it appears that Christ, God in the flesh, emmanuel- God with us, gave up all that he was ( God ) that we might become all that He is.
#20
Posted 30 April 2005 - 03:13 PM
He was human he was born of a woman and he had to eat drink and walk as we humans do. He was still God only in human form and that is why he was able to be tempted in the wilderness and that is why he felt pain as with the death of a friend and wept. How much more human can you be to love so deeply.
What do these verses teach?
That he was God and is God and will always be God just as God the Father is and that even though he took our sins upon him he had no sin in him. He was perfect and did not sin while he walked this earth and that a great example for us to know to do our best always.
What difference does it really make whether or not Jesus was human?
He could not have gone through and told us that he went through all the hurt the pain and the disappointment that he did as God but as human he was beaten, spit upon and nailed to the cross. He was human to let this happen to him he had to be God for not one of us would be so willing to take this all on for all the sins of the world. Thank you Jesus for such great Love and compassion.

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