Q4. Proclaiming Christ's Death
#2
Posted 06 May 2006 - 02:53 PM
#3
Posted 08 May 2006 - 12:10 PM
#4
Posted 08 May 2006 - 06:51 PM
Personally, I believe that Churches where the Lord's Supper is relegated to an occasional chore, that the true meaning behind it has been distorted and misunderstood by the leaders in those Churches. Obviously if it's a chore than they can't be remembering the awesome sacrifice Jesus made for us by dying on the Cross, paying forever the cost of our sins, and by His Resurrection bringing those of us who believe in Him into God's presence.
#5
Posted 08 May 2006 - 11:24 PM
The proclamation of Christ's death is important because it's the foundation on which God secured and provides salvation for sinners. There is no other way to be restored to Him. If the church's proclamation shifts to any other core theme, the church's proclamation is untrue and will lead people into deception.
What can make me whole again? Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
#6
Posted 10 May 2006 - 02:23 AM
The proclamation is made to God first of all, then to my brothers & sisters in the Lord, then to any unbelievers who may be watching me.
This is important because it is a witness.
If the proclamation changes to another theme, or is not even made, it is not Biblical. I think it would be sinful to change the focus from Jesus Christ to any other. The church who does this would be setting itself up for judgement.
#7
Posted 10 May 2006 - 09:33 AM
This new proclamation was and is made to all who believe on Jesus. That His death atoned for our sins and that we, in communion with Him will now share in a new life (a Kingdom life) and in eternal life along with Him.
This is important because up to that point, people were seperated from God through sin and the curse, but when Jesus died, the veil was torn and we can now have fellowship with God first hand. We don't need to offer blood sacrifices to cleanse us from our sins and atone for them. We are reconciled through Jesus. Nothing but the blood of Jesus!! It is His righteousness that atoned for all our sins, past, present and future.
When any proclamation is shifted to anything else but this truth in any church, then we have lost the very essence of Christianity. This is the foundation of our faith. We would, I think, be very displeasing to God if after sending His son to sacrifice and suffer as He did for us, we then made Christianity into something else....but said we followed Jesus. If we don't believe and teach and practice the very truth of what the Bible teaches about Jesus and what He commands us to do....then I think we need to take time and really consider where our faith really is coming from and what exactly we believe.
When focus is shifted to other things also, I know many new believers really struggle to know and understand their freedom in Christ. We stay bowed down in guilt and despair until we know we are forgiven and how God does forgive us and cleanses us of our sins through Jesus. We can then give our burdens of sin to Him. We also have a harder time living for Christ because our love towards others should come from the spring of knowing how much God loves us. That makes all the difference between religious "duty" and a cheerful giver! Without the focus on Christ....We begin to live by works and by earning God's approval. The focus is taken off of serving out of love as Jesus did and of being obedient because we trust our Father as Jesus did. He loved us enough to send His Son to die for us!
When we ponder on this...we know absolutely "Christ is all...Christ is all." If He is all...then our focus should be on Him!!!
#8
Posted 10 May 2006 - 09:40 AM
A proclamation is something spoken out publicly for all to hear. The Lord's Supper is a proclamation in that is was at first spoken for all the desciples to hear then resounded across the whole world for all who would come to know Christ and what He has done for us to hear.
It was proclamained to all the world and givcen to those of like faith in Jesus Christ.
It is important in the fact that it was commanded that we do this in rememberance of Jesus till He returns for His church.
If the church stops making a proclamation of the Lord's death then our rememberance will eventually cease of all the Love.Mercy and Grace God showed us through His death and our faith will have been in vain. As the theme of the church shifts then the body of believers focus will shift also and we need to keep Jesus first place in our lives and to do this we must give the things that He laid out in His word first place in our hearts this means the Lord's Supper must be done just as He spoke it to be done by the desciples.
#9
Posted 10 May 2006 - 12:03 PM
A. Clarkes bible commentary states: "As in the passover they showed forth the bondage they had been in, and the redemption they had received from it; so in the eucharist they showed forth the sacrificial death of Christ, and the redemption from sin derived from it."
Matthew Henry's commentary states that the Lord's Supper is: "to commemorate, to celebrate, his glorious condescension and grace in our redemption." and that " ...we own before the world, by this very service, that we are the disciples of Christ..."
Q. To whom is the proclamation made?
A. I agree with forum member charisbarak who wrote: "The proclamation is made to God first of all, then to my brothers & sisters in the Lord, then to any unbelievers who may be watching me."
Wesley wrote: "Ye show forth the Lord's death - Ye proclaim, as it were, and openly avow it to God, and to all the world. Till he come - In glory."
Q. Why is this important?
A. The JFB Commentary states: "The supper joins the two closing periods of the Old and the New dispensations." and further explains; "That the Lord's Supper is in remembrance of Him, implies that He is bodily absent, though spiritually present, for we cannot be said to commemorate one absent. The fact that we not only show the Lord's death in the supper, but eat and drink the pledges of it, could only be understood by the Jews, accustomed to such feasts after propitiatory sacrifices, as implying our personal appropriation therein of the benefits of that death."
Q. What happens to the church when its proclamation shifts to a different central theme?
A. I believe that loosing site of the spiritual pattern of God's work in Christ, as proclaimed and shown in the ordinance of the Lord's Supper, means for the church a loss of it's core identity and message as a body of believers, and of it's purpose in carrying that message to the world.
#10
Posted 10 May 2006 - 12:46 PM
It proclaims Jesus victory over sin & death both to each of us who partake of it & also to any unbelievers.
To whom is the proclamation made?
To both believers & also to unbelievers.
Why is this important?
It’s important because it is proclaiming the Gospel Of Jesus & his sacrifice for the remission of our sins.
What happens to the church when its proclamation shifts to a different central theme? To shift from the sole purpose of Jesus coming to earth in the first place is missing the whole point of why the church even exists today. Jesus broken body & shed blood IS the reason for the church. I’m sure any church that did not have this as their central theme would not survive & it would also be doing a great injustice to anyone who walked through their doors.
#11
Posted 10 May 2006 - 12:51 PM
Since Jesus was celebrating the Passover and giving us a command to do this in rememberance of Him, it seems it is proclaiming deliverance - as God delivered the Israelites from slavery - Jesus has delived all mankind from the bondage of slavery sin - and proclaiming He has satisfied God's requirement for atonement. In addition giving us eternal life through Him.
It is made to God as a thank offering perhaps and of course to brothers and sisters in Christ and those unbelievers who are watching.
To me if the church shifts to a different central theme then it is no longer Christian- what other theme could there be- i would say they are apostate.
#12
Posted 10 May 2006 - 12:51 PM
As a proclamation, it is for who ever is present to receive the message. It is of great importance because, in reality, it proclaims the basis of our faith and when changed or corrupted so too will be our faith.
#13
Posted 10 May 2006 - 03:11 PM
The Bread and Cup Proclaim the saving AND resurrection of Christ (because "until He comes " implies the Resurrection)
The Lords Supper is a reminder of what Jesus did in the past , asymbol of our present relationship with Him and a promise of what He will do in the future.
#14
Posted 10 May 2006 - 03:21 PM
The celebration of the Lord's Supper is a "proclamation" of what we as a Christian believe and it is a visual witness to those around us of the great salvation offered to mankind by God through Jesus Christ. This proclamation is made to both believers and non believers as they see those partaking of it claiming the truth concerning His body and His blood in their lives. I feel that Jesus gave us the reason for it's importance in that we are to partake of it "in remembrance of Him" for our own soul's sake and as a witness to those around us. Now, should a church shift to a dfferent central theme they would not be in line with God, for His central theme is His great love demonstrated on Calvary for mankind's redemption.
#15
Posted 10 May 2006 - 03:45 PM
#16
Posted 10 May 2006 - 08:12 PM
#17
Posted 11 May 2006 - 12:02 AM
Through the Lord's Supper we proclaim our beleif, our gratitude, our thankfulness for what Jesus did on the cross and we keep proclaiming this til His glorious return.
Firstly to ourselves, also to our brothers and sisters in Christ, and to unbeleivers.
Because we all fall short of the glory of God, {Romans 3:23}, and we need to come into communion with Christ regularly.
When the church shifts to a different theme, she loses her power, because the churches power is in the cross, the redemptive blood of Christ is the power of the church. Without it, it becomes a religeon not a relationship.
#18
Posted 11 May 2006 - 02:05 AM
Pastor Ralph, on Apr 24 2006, 03:40 PM, said:
Yes, as Christians, we are making a statement when we accept the Lord's Supper. To whom is the proclamation made? To God the Father, for the gift of His only Son, as our Redemer. Why is this important? This was the ultimate gift, worthy of recognition till Jesus comes to take us to Heaven and present us, without blemish or spot, before the Father. What happens to the church when its proclamation shifts to a different central theme? The gift looses its value. The church becomes weak. The spirit of the church can die.
#19
Posted 11 May 2006 - 02:28 AM
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The lord's supper is a proclamation because in celebrating we are showing everyone present by taking the
elements and by what is proclaimed by the person leading the celebration that this is an important message
that this feast or celebration stands for and that by taking communion we show that we believe and stand
for this message .
The proclamation was made to the early christians and apostles and deciples but in the long run to any
christian who reads the scriptures this proclamation stands to be proclaimed to christians till the end of time.
If the proclamation shifts to another central theme than the death and resurrection and crucifiction then
the proclamation stops or at least gets watered down to a non central point -
This would be sad because it is our central theme and mystery of the Church....
#20
Posted 11 May 2006 - 02:36 AM
Any viewing of it for other purposes is a distraction and does not promote relationship from God to us.
With a thankful heart, accepting HIS grace, I can stand firm in shoes of peace,
Prayer Driven, Jaclyn

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