Q3. Substitutionary Atonement
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Posted 15 March 2003 - 01:46 PM
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Posted 16 March 2003 - 11:44 PM
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Posted 18 March 2003 - 12:00 PM
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Posted 18 March 2003 - 12:02 PM
He took on the punishment I would have had so that I could be part of the family and enter and abide in his kingdom. Through one man, Adam, sin was introduced and through one man, Jesus, sin no longer had it's hold (we won!). God is a GOOD God!!!
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Posted 18 March 2003 - 03:37 PM
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Posted 18 March 2003 - 06:40 PM
Until Jesus, man had no way for complete reconciliation with God. God provided the ancients with a way through animal sacrifices, to become aware of the high cost of sin, and a method of partial atonement. The sacrificial Lamb was yet to come who would provide an acceptable and worthy sacrificial substitute for ALL mankind……a once and for all time sacrifice that could absolutely redeem us.
Jesus accepted into and upon Himself all the dirty ugliness of mankind’s sin; all the disobedience and rebelliousness of a mankind gone far astray. It was as if Jesus became the repository for it all, and completely accepted His mission to take all of it to the cross, there to die as a sacrificial Lamb for every one of us.
The enormity of His act of sacrifice for me, brings me to my knees in humble adoration for this unbelievable gift. It should have been ME up there on that cross.
Praise be to God, who loved us enough to provide His own Lamb as an acceptable and complete sacrifice for all of us.
Love in our Lord...................Heather
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Posted 18 March 2003 - 09:03 PM
While reading this question, I was reminded of the fact, that Jesus was both "Shepherd & Sheep" I think I understand what the Pastor is asking...How was the act of the cross, a substitute, for the sacrifice's offered in the past. I remember a study we did in my Sunday school class years ago on sheep, how they are so timid, so easily led....how even when the shepherds led them to water, they would not drink from a bubbling brook. In fact they would die first. The shepherd would have to "scoop" the water out, into a container of some sort first, before they would drink. Our precious Saviour became like one of these little sheep for you & I. "Like a lamb, being led to the slaughter, He opened not His mouth" He, the creator of all things, allowed Himself to be reviled, & hated, by those He came to lay down His life for...He allowed the sin's of all man-kind, to be transferred, unto Himself. I've heard preachers talk of how, when He hung upon the cross, that all the sin's, of every man, woman, & child, to ever live, pressed upon Him! I know how I feel, when the Holy Spirit convicts me of a sin I've commited.....Its horrible! The thought of Jesus, feeling my sin's...of a life time ( and yours!) is more than I can comprehend! What a wonderful Saviour! I've wondered just how this was done....Did He actually "see" you & I?.... These are my thoughts on this subject...I may have strayed from the topic, if so, forgive me.
Never be afraid to trust an unknown
future to a known God.
-- Corrie ten Boom
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Posted 19 March 2003 - 01:40 AM
Pastor Ralph, on Feb 13 2003, 10:14 PM, said:
I did the best that I could here in explaining in my own words"The substitutionary atonement".I thank Jesus Christ for what he did for us,"Amen".A Servant is a substitute of one who takes our place,in bearing the sins that we have committed.The Servant is with out sin or blemish.He will be punished in severity for what we have done wrong.He will do all of the suffering and taking beatings of pain for us,doing this on his own accord,agreeing and willing to take the punishment even until death.Punishment we so deserve.!!Through his suffering and pain we will be healed,and he will save many from their sins.
As I had to go back and read more it told us,"The Servant is exalted by God,and in reading this it meant by in being exalted by God,he will be resurected from the dead,lifted up to the highest place,and gave him a name above all names"Jesus Christ" our savior.!
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Posted 19 March 2003 - 05:38 AM
#13
Posted 19 March 2003 - 06:13 AM
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[*]Our sins- that which causes ourselves and others great sorrow and pain- are lifted from us so that we may once again be with God and follow His righteous plan.
[*]When these sins are lifted from us, it is Christ that now carries the great sorrow and pain. He is burdened with our sin and guilt. In following God's command to do this, He serves us a great blessing. A blessing of life and hope.
[*]Instead of having to suffer a real death for our own sins, Christ takes the burden of those sins from us. With out Christ, we might die for our very first sin, with no hope for tomorrow. With Christ, there is hope. We are given a chance to learn from our mistakes. We are given life to live and learn. We are given life to become the best we can be, to follow in His footsteps, to return to God's plan for us and all mankind.
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Corinthians 5:21)
"For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls." (1 Peter 2:24-25)
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Posted 19 March 2003 - 03:47 PM
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Posted 19 March 2003 - 06:46 PM
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Posted 19 March 2003 - 11:13 PM
I actually find it quite hard to put this into words without quantifying it from scripture. Here goes . . . Every action we take in life carries consequences. And yet it’s interesting to hear how people who would normally describe themselves as complete unbelievers suddenly taking the moral high ground when they learn of any kind of injustice, especially if it has happened to them personally. You see, whether we like to admit it or not, deep inside us all there exists this conscience that alerts us between what is right and wrong. Now, we may suppress it long enough to go ahead and choose the wrong way ourselves, nevertheless, we waste little time in condemning others that make the same wrong choices. We’ve seen it time and again in the movies, where the ‘Baddies’ lose out to the ‘Good guys’ and the audience leave the cinema, satisfied that justice has been done once again. So, whilst we may be guilty of double standards, the fact is, before God we are sinners and our sin carries a debt that we are responsible for. Imagine being in your local Court house on a charge of speeding. Having been found guilty the judge sentences you to pay a fine. After passing the sentence, the judge removes his robes of authority, steps down and taking out his cheque book writes out a cheque for the full amount to pay your fine. God has made a way through the sacrifice of His son Jesus for us to go free. The debt for our sin has been paid for in full and all we have to do is accept it. A clear example of this was seen when Abraham was prepared to sacrifice his son Isaac in obedience to God. Before he could bring the knife down, God stops Abraham and provides a goat as a substitution. Can you imagine Abraham refusing God’s offer of this substitute for his son’s life! Sadly, many people hear the truth every day about God sending His son as a substitute for our sins and they still refuse to accept His Gracious offer. If I can sum it up in just one verse from Scripture “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” Romans 6:23. Amen
Mike D
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Posted 20 March 2003 - 12:08 PM
Jesus Christ said he was a servent of the Lord God who was sent to take away the sins of the world. I think Jesus was our substitute because there was no other way or any other sacrifice that could have ever made us perfect in Gods eyes other than the blood of his son. To be covered by Jesus and be seen as he is seen..How cool will that be?
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Posted 20 March 2003 - 05:21 PM
Our sins seperate us from God. Before Jesus, when someone sinned, during the act of the sacrifice, they would transfer their sin to the lamb and the lamb's blood would cleanse them from the sin, restoring their relationship to God. In the same way now, Jesus, who was without sin, carried the sins of the world, our sins included, to the cross. His sacrifice cleanses us and restores our relationship with God.
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Posted 21 March 2003 - 03:50 PM
Pastor Ralph, on Feb 14 2003, 12:14 AM, said:
There is no question that we are guilty, now comes the question of punishment. The punishment handed down for the crime of sin against God is a death sentance and eternal separation from Him in hell. The Servant acts as the substitute to bear our sins in that He accepted our death penalty on the cross in our place. He got the punishment that we rightfully deserve. Jesus the Servant obtained the keys of the kingdom through His death and resurrection and put them into the hands of Peter and the church. Matthew 16:19, Revelation 1:18.
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