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#1 User is offline   Pastor Ralph

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 03:59 AM

Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?
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Post icon  Posted 21 March 2008 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 20 2007, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?



RICIPROCATE GOOD DEEDS IN FAITH

If those who condemn others are condemned (7: 1-5 ), God clearly operates on a principle of reciprocity; We must do good to people in advance of their doing good to us, trusting God to reward us later. The principle in this context is that as we give, it will be given to us by God in the day of judgement. If God is the example of giving
( vv 7 & 11 ) , we should give whatever people need ( 5: 42 ). How we treat others ( 7:12 ) reveals our character ( vv 16-20 ) and hence reveals our destiny. This has been called the " Golden Rule" ; over a millennium earlier, a Christian Roman emperor allegedly engraved the saying on his wall in gold.

This rule was a widespread principle of ancient ethics. The positive form of the rule appears as Homer and recurs in Herodotus. The negative form ( "And what you hate, do not do to anyone") appears in Tobit,Philo, and elsewhere; one Jewish work straddles both forms. Although some commentators have tried to disparage the negative form by contrast with the positive, both forms mean the same thing; both biblical law ( Lev. 19: 18 ) and Paul ( Romans 13: 10 ) define the positive commandment of love by means of negative commandments.

The principle appears in cultures totally isolated from the ancient Mediterranean; it appears, for example, Confucian teaching from sixth-century B.C. China. That others would discover this same principle should not surprise us, because one of the most natural foundations for ethics is for a person to extrapolate from one's own worth to that of others, hence to value others as oneself. Thus every person is morally responsible to recognize how one ought to treat every other person. When we treat others the way people of higher status treated people of lower status in Jesus' day, we invite God's judgement against us. No one so insensitive as to demean another human being on account of social station warrents God's mercy.

One who observes this basic principle will fulfill all the basic principles of the law the way God intended them
( Matthew 5: 21-48 ; 22: 37-39 ). Later Jewish tradition declares that the sage Hillel, who taught before Jesus did, had already seen this rule as a good summary of the law. As the story goes, a Gentile approached both Hillel and his rival sage, promising each that he would convert to Judaism if the sage could teach him the law concisely. Hillel declared, "Whatever you do not want someone to do to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the law.

This is the law of love, the principle by which Jesus epitomizes the entire humanward aspect of God's law ( 22:30-40 ) What is distinctive about the principle as it appears in Matthew is its relation to the day of judgement ( MT.7:1-2, 13-14 ) . Most of this teaching was researched on the internet.
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Posted 09 April 2008 - 01:15 PM

Jesus, as He showed us by His walk, was about compassion or, love in action. This agape love is part of His nature. We, on the other hand, are basically selfish, putting our own best interests before that of others. He taught that if we consider this and extrovert rather than introvert those selfish desires would be directed toward others resulting in compassion.
In Matthew 22 I note that Jesus reminds us to love God first, with every member of our being. Doing this makes loving our neighbor as ourself a simple deed.
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 10:22 PM

The capsule is "Love God with all your heart, mind, soul & strength and love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus always carries the law to one sharper point. As, "do not kill"-- but if you have thoughts of hatred toward a person you are actually not keeping that law. In this, we are told to love God first & foremost, then to love others--as you love yourself--wanting only the best for them--giving them preference.
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 01:32 PM

Both the “Golden Rule” and the message in Matthew 22:37-39 call for love. Loving God with our complete self, loving others as we love ourselves, and a love that would lovingly serve others as we would like to be lovingly served. This is not a love that we can work up on our own. This kind of love can come only as Christ lives in and through us and as we allow His “agape” – self sacrificing love – to flow through us unhindered.
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 12:28 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 19 2007, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?

12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. Matt. 22:'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "And the second is like it"is the hard part of the message of Christ. That brings into perspective the dificulties of Christian living which seem to elude all of us at times and for others all the time.

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 04:20 PM

Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?
This is the foundation of active goodness and mercy, the kind of love God shows to us every day.
They are same because they talk on the law of God, and different because, the Pharisees were only looking on the law negatively, they were not looking at it positively. If we truly love God and our neighbor , we will naturally keep the commandment.

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Post icon  Posted 16 April 2008 - 05:46 PM

Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets?

Because we love God first, the message of the law and the prophets is capsulized in one word - "LOVE"

The 'GOLDEN RULE" is capsulized in our loving others, how? Because we first loved God.

God has spoken this to us, and it is because of our love for God, that we desire to keep His commandments, we know they are for our good.

In the law of Moses, the first four are related to our loving the God of Israel, our God first, and the last six are related to how we are to love each other, capsulizing the Golden Rule of love on our hearts. rolleyes.gif

This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same?

They are the same in the relation they have to each other, we cannot love others, unless we love God first.

This is the first and greatest commandment Jesus said unto them, a scripture He knew so
well... Deu 6:45 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

It is through the greatest commanment, to love God with all our heart, with all our soul, with all our might, that we are able to love our neighbor. rolleyes.gif
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Post icon  Posted 16 April 2008 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 20 2007, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?


1)The golden rule as a summary for the law and the prophets, is dealing with our horizontal relationships.

2)the summary Jesus indicated in Mt. 22, is dealing with our vertical relationship with God first, as well as our "neighbor" or human relationships.

3)They are the same in that we're commanded to love both God and man. God, with all of our heart, soul and mind, and to love our "neighbors" as we love ourselves. The law teaches us "how to get along" with God and man, and in doing so, we fulfill the law (of love)

4)They are different, in that the golden rule only deals with how we treat others, but the implied message throughout what we have been studying, is that it is impossible to live out the beatitudes, apart from the love of God (or the river of living water) flowing from us.
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 12:55 PM

In everything!!!!!! Love God first. Then love your neighbor as yourself. Treat everyone as you would want to be treated. Put yourself in their place! If you desire good things, then DO good things because you get back what you give out
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 11:48 PM

Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?


So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (7:12)
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It simplifies it quite a bit but still leaves the message there when you think it through. They are the same because they are the word of God even in it simplist form if we love our neighbor as our self then we are showing the love we have for God in keeping His commandments. They are differant because they are differant in length and in language. We are to love God first and then that love if real will profess its self to those around us and we will love them as well.
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Post icon  Posted 18 April 2008 - 02:42 AM

In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets?
If we treat others how we would like to be treated we are showing others Christ's love. This is hard when others put you down - but Christ has called us to show his love to others, we do that by treating them well, this shows them Christ's love. It also means that other things would happen - we we don't lie to others because we wouldn't want people to lie to us ...

This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?
It is the same as if we love God with all our heart, soul and mind. We become one with Him. We see God's love for them.; If we love God, and then love our neighbour then we will treat others with the love and respect that they deserve - which is how we would like to be treated.

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Post icon  Posted 18 April 2008 - 11:20 PM

Q4. (Matthew 7:12)
In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? tongue.gif
To show Christ's love, we need to love all of His children. This is not difficult when we are shown love but becomes a challenge when others are mean or insulting to us. However, we must remember that Christ loves us when we are not loveable and we must do the same to our brothers and sisters. We always treat others with the love and respect with which we would like to be treated if we follow Christ's example.

This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39.
How are they the same?
They are the same in that we are commanded to love God with all our being and to love our neighbor as ourselves.


How are they different?
In the above, we are commaned to follow the Golden Rule. However, we must have the love of God in our heart to live the Golden Rule. We must love God first and then our neighbor as ourselves.



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Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize
the message of the law and the prophets? It was a summery of the law, Ask yourself what you want people to do for you, then grab the initiative and do it for them. Add up God's Law and Prophets and this is what you get.

This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? We are to love with passion and prayer and intelligence. If we were to hang the law and the teachings of the prophets on a peg and hang them right next to the words that Jesus spoke, we would come up with the same thing. This is why He made the claim that He did not come to abolish the law and that if anyone taught differently that they would not have a good placement in the kingdom. It is when we love the law with passion and intelligence, just like David who meditated on it day and night that we will absorb the love that God gave us all as a guideline for us to be able to inherit the kingdom, by our right minded way of how we love all mankind, in the light of love, by the power of the spirit. On our own, we could never love in this way..

How are they different? They are not different at all than what was taught long ago. Look at Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Jesus is the same God who spoke to Moses as He was the Word who was in the beginning in the book of John. Nothing has changed and Jesus said it would be this way till heaven and earth passed away and they are both still in place. Jesus also said: “And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.” This just goes to show us how deep His love really is. The law was given because of His love for us, and to show us our sin, so that we could be exposed to His power to save us from our sin in His Son Jesus Christ who was raised from death and the penalty of the law. We have all been set free who would call upon Jesus as our Savior. We no longer are bound to the penalty of the law, which is death. I say, “Yahoo to Yah’shua!”
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Post icon  Posted 20 April 2008 - 09:31 PM

[quote name='Pastor Ralph' date='Dec 19 2007, 11:59 PM' post='32228']
Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?



WE ARE SUPPOSE TO DO TREAT OTHERS LIKE THEY TREAT US ..AND LOVE THE LOVE MY GOD WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS IN YOU!!
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 20 2007, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?


The Golden Rule in essence says: Treat others the way you would want to be treated...and in this, when we love the Lord our God with "all we got"...we can't help but love everyone else with "all we got." That is how they are the same.

How they are different, is that unless we have our relationship with God "straight up"...we are in no way able to have our relationships "laterally" working...

Practice the presence of God and stop looking at yourself...simply love...love simply.


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Posted 21 April 2008 - 01:22 PM

The law is all about loving God and loving others and the "Golden Rule" helps us to honor God and honor others
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 03:23 AM

The Golden Rule sums up how we should live our lives. Nothing comes before our devotion to God and then Leviticus 19:18 says, "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord."

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 12:49 AM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 20 2007, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets? This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same? How are they different?

The "Golden Rule" capsulizes the message of the law and the prophets in this way, that is, we should treat others in the way we would like to be treated.

The "summary" of the law and the prophets in Matthew 7:12 and of the one that Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39 are the same, not different. Matthew 7:12 talk about how we should act to others, how we should treat others. It is part of how we love our neighbor as indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. To treat others in the way we would like to be treated in Matthew 7:12 is a way of how to love our neighbor as yourself in Matthew 22:37-39.

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Post icon  Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:48 AM

Q4. (Matthew 7:12) In what way does the "Golden Rule" capsulize the message of the law and the prophets?
"Do to others what you would have them do to you,” and “love your neighbor as yourself” both deal with our relationship with others and are telling us to love and take care of each other.

This seems like a different "summary" of the law and the prophets than Jesus indicated in Matthew 22:37-39. How are they the same?
They are the same in that they tell us to “love.”

How are they different?
They are different because one deals with our relationship with each other, and one deals with our relationship with God. rolleyes.gif

If we meet today and you forget me, you have lost nothing. But if you meet Jesus Christ and forget Him, you have lost everything.

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