[Pastor Ralph]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

[Sandym]

Because this means however bad people are Jesus can still save them from the devils lies and distruction. The devil says you are not worthy. Jesus says all are worthy especially you. He loves all of us no matter how much we have messed up. He wants to take care of us. He is the ultimate parent! He loves us so much. All of us! He knows each of us by name and knows every hair on our head! How amazing is that!

[Brad]

Christ died for us at our worst,he died for the ungodly and sinners so that now,we will not think that we can never deserve Gods blessings and Glory for our sins,no matter how bad we think they are,and satan will not fool us into thinking we are too bad to even ask Jesus for forgiveness

[sadiejee]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

I feel it is very important to embrace the truth that Christ died for the ungodly, although I often wonder why?? Especially when I'm sure that He could go through a certain number of people and find some really good ones and choose to die for their goodness ... but then there would always be the comparison factor - I am better than you because you did this or that wrong therefore, I am more worthy. I guess it puts us all on the same playing field, none are worthy except through His grace. According to 5:8, Christ died for us while we were all sinners, so definitely at our worst. I feel assurance against the devil's lies in the truth that Christ died to give us freedom over sin and condemnation ... because He died to sin, so also have we died to sin through our belief and as He rose above, so also do we.

[house]

“While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

This truth is important because it assures us that God loves us. Not because of anything we do and certainly not because we’re good – He knows we are not – but He still loves us!

I think this verse is both humbling in that it reminds us that we have not been saved for being “good” and yet also assuring: God loves us in spite of our sins. There is no reason to fear that you are “too bad to forgive.”

[Letsgohuntting]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

Because if Christ didn't die for the ungodly or sinners it would of been without cause. Then this would be a lie, But since Christ can't lie we know that he died for the sinners so that we all would live.

Christ died for us at our worst.

Because Jesus Christ died for our sins so that we may live, and all that believenth in him shall never parish.
Because Jesus can't lie so what he says is so.
The devil always lies,so don't believe anything he says,he's a lie to start off with.

[pickledilly]

It's important to know that I know that I know that Christ died for me at my unregenerate worst because that is an anchor to the truth that I am loved by God and His love has been poured into my heart. Love reaches out, even (and often especially) to the undeserving. Not in an indiscriminate or enabling way, but with the desire for the best interests of another. And that's exactly what the Lord did for me. In restoring unworthy me to Himself, He has proved His love and commitment to me.

Accepting and experiencing that kind of love reassures me that even when I repeat some old sin again or embrace some entirely new one, the Father is just waiting to forgive me. I cannot allow myself to go by how I feel, because that's an area where the devil can influence me with his lies. 1 John 1:9 tells me what God says, and I must discipline myself to speak and act on the truth that my repentant confession will release His cleansing forgiveness. What tender love! The devil NEVER treats me that way. He wants to beat me up, torment me with remorse, and make me doubt that God meant what He said.

There is no sin now that is any greater than my original state of unholy moral perversion. If Christ was willing to die for that, He's willing to demonstrate His love in forgiving and cleansing me now!

[jason]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

1) It is so important because people need to understand the real concept of it, that God would allow his only son to die for the likes of people that do not believe or are not even holy, that is real commitment, that is real love, unconditional love. It's important people know this so they understand to what extent God has actually gone for us giving his only son. If God allowed this to happen when we we're ungodly imagine what he would do for us when we are saved!

2) Jesus most certainly died for us at our worst, dying for us to set us straight with the lord so that our sins would be forgiven. This is the reason God sent Jesus to rescue us.

3) This means that if we we're at our worst & God still forgave us , then he would and always will forgive us, there is nothing that we could do more wrong in his eyes. Whenever you feel uncertain about God's love for you, remember that he loved you even before you turned to him.

[quenboss12]

Because God sent his son to die for this sinful world . We are not perfect and we are sinners. He died at our worse because we have sinned. So Jesus' blood has washed the sins away and defeated satan.

[charisbarak]

God didn't see a wonderful person He wanted to save--He saw a wretched sinner He wanted to save. He didn't look for the well, He looked for the ill. Jesus saves us as we are to become more like Him in time. Satan would like us to continue to wallow in our sin & shame and to miss the blessing. But Jesus is there with His arms wide open to embrace us in our filth and to change/clean us from the inside out. No one is too awful, too filthy, too shameful to accept Jesus' free gift of salvation!! No one is too awful, too filthy, too shameful for us to love & witness to.....

[Elwood C O'Dell]

There is an old hymn simply titled “Just As I Am.” Christ died for me just the way I was. A sinner, one unclean with no hope. But the good news is that while I was in this state He was willing to receive, welcome me, pardon, cleanse and relieve me from the condemnation and guilt of my sin. His blood can wash away, cleanse every spot. Over the years there has been one thing I have found out for sure, He doesn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. He continuously cleanses from all sin. (See 1 John 1:9) This is my assurance against the devil’s lies. Truly HIS grace is Amazing!

[Delivered]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8) According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst?

1Co 15:21 For since by man, Adam, came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

It is impossible for us to exercise "faith" in God, if we don't understand why God sent His Son: God tells us, "as Adam sinned, we all have sinned and come short of His glory.

Our faith in God Almighty brings us to the "truth" -- Abraham was fully persuaded that what God had promised, God was able to perform;

We must have this same Faith, for it was not written for Abraham's sake alone, but for us also; we who believe the word as seen in
Rom4:24 if we believe on Him, God, that raised up Yeshua our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Yeshua, was delivered for our offences, our sin, and was raised again for our justification.

What is our justification? It is our acquittal, being reconciled to God.

How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?
Satan is the father of lies, Truth is found in God's Word, fully persuaded!

[turnerjb1]

I participated in a prison ministry a few years ago and some of the inmates had this same feeling, they were too bad for God to forgive. By the end of the weekend, many realized Jesus gave his life for all, and that we were all sinners.

The poem "Footprints" answers this question. It is when we go through our most difficult times in our life that there is only one set of footprints in the sand, Jesus', because he was carrying us through these tough times.

[John d Baptist]

This is not an answer to the questions as such - but I ask for all of you doing the study to pray as I start something brand new with our church. I am working on getting several to do this study with me - and it is a new way for all of them. Hope some of them will start replying here - but several are rather spooked by the newness of this type of study.

Thanks - and I hope to add some comments to the questions soon

[DocI333]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) 1. Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? 2. According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? 3. How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

1. Even as the wretch that I am, in my deepest, darkest valley of this physical life, there is always hope. I’m not perfect but I must persevere! Instead of me, spending my life, building a reputation, I know that God will build my character for eternity.

2. Here's the good news and Paul's main point here: Jesus died for our sins when we were at our worst. Now that we are (usually) acting better, he is not about to discard us as unworthy garbage when we mess up.
Misbehavior is, however, cause for discipline and training in righteousness.

3. Christ died for me while I was at my worst; it was a demonstration of agape love, unmerited love, God’s Grace.
Grace = Gods Riches At Christ’s Expense

As we struggle with temptations to sin, we face discouragement and self-doubt. When we fail, Satan bombards us with despair, condemnation, and self-loathing. I suck up and internalize Satan's lies, which then result in insecurity and doubt.
But the transition from a "flesh"-directed life to a Spirit-led life requires huge changes in my belief system as well as completely different habits of thinking and living.

So if we are to learn genuine Christian living, then we must do so grounded in a profound assurance that we are secure in Christ. This isn't a performance-based or conditional salvation. It is a full salvation bought by Christ's own blood.

[Stan]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

Because He alone is our means for salvation without the faith that He died for our sins we remain in those sin and are lost. He died while we were yet sinners so it was at our worst. He can and died that all men could be saved through His name and a belief that He is whom He claims to be. It gives us hope that we are the chosen of God, if Jesus would dies for us then we must be greatly loved by God and therefore as Romans says nothing can take us from His hand.

[JustJeff]

There can be no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends, how much greater than to lay down one's life for an enemy?
Such is the love of the Son, ordered by the Father and to embrace this is to learn God's love. This lesson, to be an enemy, still to be loved is the soul, the heart, the essence of our faith. Nothing that we can learn is of more importance than this.
Our victory over the Adverary is complete and we are forgiven. It is made so by a love that will never die or fade away. When we were at our worst Jesus gave His all. Now that we are His, covered by His blood, the devil can have no part in us and we are always the Lord's and always forgiven. That is a "Blessed Assurance".

[Revjarden1]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

It is important to embrace this truth because of John3:16 For God So loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This is the truth. Christ died for us at our worst because Is. 64:6 a clause says our rightousness are as filthy rags. And as for as our enemy, he is the master of lies.

[Revjarden1]

God put us in right standing with himself. We could not do it no matter how hard we wanted to

[paulcrf]

Q3. (Romans 5:6, 8) Why is it so important to embrace the truth that "Christ died for the ungodly" (5:6), that "Christ died for sinners" (5:8)? According to 5:8, did Christ die for us at our best or at our worst? How does this give us assurance against the devil's lies about us being too bad to forgive?

Christ died for the sinners. He came to earth to save the lost. We have to embrace this truth that all of us were sinners in the eyes of God before Jesus Christ shed his blood to wash away our sins. He died on the cross so that we may also die with our sins in Him.

While we were still sinners, our best was not good enough in the eyes of God. We were self righteous, full of covetousness and pride. The devil does not want us to leave him. He wants us to remain defeated, helpless and weak. He will see to it that we don't even think of going back to God.