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Q2. Buried and Raised with Christ in Baptism

#1 User is offline   Pastor Ralph

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 12:10 AM

Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?
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Posted 27 September 2008 - 12:46 PM

In 6:3-4, "buried" corresponds to going down into the waters of baptism. "Christ was raised from the dead" corresponds to coming back up out of the waters. Together, this represents submitting to the death of sin that Christ suffered on Calvary and the raising up into new spiritual life in Christ that did not exist within the believer before conversion.

It reminds me of that classic example of new life - the butterfly. A wretched little worm spins itself into the chrysalis, the place where it will "die" as a pupa. The body completely breaks down into a jelly-type substance and, by the LORD's amazing plan, is completely recreated into a creature that it was not before. When this new butterfly emerges after a difficult and strenuous process of breaking through the chrysalis, it is no longer the same as what it was. Once it dries and stretches out its beautiful new wings, that butterfly begins a new and entirely different life. Its eyes are different, its breathing and sensory systems are different, its blood is different. No longer does it crawl around on the earth ripping, devouring, and destroying every green leaf in sight. Now it gracefully floats above all that and is sustained by sipping the sweetest of flower nectars.

We were measly little worms in God's eyes. Christ calls us to enter into His death, where He transforms us into new living spiritual creatures. Living in that newness of life, we look beautifully different. We function differently. We seek sustenance entirely unlike what we desired in our old state. Our behaviors, activities, methods, purposes, and manner are not what they were before.

As humans, it seems our struggle to break through that "chrysalis" takes the rest of our life. We usually end up looking like some kind of bizarre thing, with maybe a wing sticking out here and antennae there, but still stuck and dragging around in the trappings of death. (Think of Paul's cry in Romans 7:24, Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?) Our human battle is to be willing to allow the Holy Spirit to take every part of our wormy flesh into this death to sin, spiritually transform us completely, and break us out to actually live in our newness of Life. And full immersion in baptismal waters represents this transformation best.

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Posted 27 September 2008 - 03:07 PM

In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?
When we are submerged under the water, this is symbolic of being buried, leaving our old life behind in the water. when we are raised up this is symbolic of the resurection the start of a new life in Christ.
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#4 User is offline   Linda Stanley

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Posted 27 September 2008 - 05:28 PM

Q2.Romans 6;3-4,Being buried,symbolises the death and burrial of the old way of life.
After being baptised,out of the water symbolizes our resurrection to a new life with Jesus( 6:4,Sin-loving nature is buried.We can be certain that sins' power is broken through the death and resurrection of our Jesus Christ,in which we have acknowledged,(to own or confess) Jesus Christ into our lives. .
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Posted 27 September 2008 - 05:44 PM

Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?

1. When we see a burial, we see a body planted in the ground and unless you understand the life of Christ and the work of the cross you will never see that body again. Same in the baptism at first, you see the body go down into the water. If you turn and leave thinking that is all just like you may have done at the burial of the body, you will never see the body come back up from the water until you hear the joy of the rush of the body as it comes back up to grab hold of the new life it has just been given.

2. Christ raised from the dead forever in the love of the Heavenly Father. I hear the word of God come alive saying; " this is My Beloved Son in whom I am well please"
This to is why this corresponds to the baptism, the Father words were " this is My Son in whom I am well pleased". We must come to the Father how? In Him (in whom) here's is where the Father makes it plain to all, we must be born again, we must die to ourself, we must be buried with Him and we must resurrect through Him.

Our Heavenly Father made a public statement here for all eternity to hear. Not one thing from that point on could say that Jesus born of a virgin was not the Son of The True Living God and that He pleased God. I always wondered why God chose to speak again audibly. He hadn't spoke Himself since the days of Moses. How could satan have missed this? How could the Jews have missed this? Thank God we have the baptism, the Holy Spirit and the gift of wisdom and knowledge to hear it.

If we just listen! What things we will hear! People God has revealed Himself again to all of us.
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Posted 27 September 2008 - 09:40 PM

“A person going down into the water and being covered by it symbolizes death and burial.” Our being dead to our sins, having them buried in the sea of His forgetfulness. “Rising out of the water symbolizes resurrection.” Our coming alive to a new life in Christ.
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Posted 27 September 2008 - 11:49 PM

Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?


3 "Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." (6:3-4)


It represents our death with Christ into His death and burial. Raised represents us being reborn into a new life with Him and as such apart of Him and His body.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 04:30 AM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 16 2008, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?



Buried is correspond to the immersion. if a person die he will be buried. in us we die in our sin's through immersion, our old sinful life will be buried.

Christ was raised from the dead on the 3rd day. when Christ was raised He is a new Jesus with glorify body. us when we raised it means that we are new creation through Christ baptism.
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 11:47 AM

Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?

The illustration bellow may make the point clear on Baptism.
Once you have crucified your old ways (sins) and you repent, the dead person must be buried. Baptism, a burial in water, equates with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This is the Biblical way to be born again to new life.















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Posted 28 September 2008 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 16 2008, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?


Q1: Buried correspond to immersion in the act of baptism. We bury our old sinful nature.

Q2: "Christ raised from the dead correspond to coming up of the water in baptism. It symbolizes rising from the grave to a new life.

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 05:14 PM

As we are not literally dieing in baptism when we go under the water we are illustrating our death, as did Christ lay His life down for us on the cross. Coming up out of the water is as we are being raised up from the dead like unto the Lord when He came up out of the tomb.
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 09:00 PM

Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?

As we are immersed in water, we are buried with Christ. When we come up out of the water, we are resurrected like Christ was, and we are changed-given a fresh start. A new life is ours in our baptism. The former things are no more-all things are new! Gloray!
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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:05 PM

He is referring to our symbolically dying and being buried during our immersion as Christ physically did for us at Calvary. AS we rise out of the waters of baptism we are symbolically rising into new life with Christ which is the hope of the glory of our living to one day rise with Christ at judgment.
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Posted 29 September 2008 - 05:08 PM

We identify with Christ's burial when we are submerged into the water--interesting, is it not, that when immersion baptisms take place, the person is lowered into the water backwards so the position they are in symbolizes death--as if the person was laid in a coffin.

When a person is then lifted out of the water, signs of death--the position of death--has been removed. This will be like our resurrection in the end times--free of death completely!! Through baptism we are freed from sin's mastery & we're free to serve Jesus with our lives instead!
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Post icon  Posted 30 September 2008 - 02:29 AM

Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism?

The act of baptism is the act of our burying our sins, leaving them behind, for Christ has washed us with His water and His blood.

What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?

As Christ was raised from the dead by the Father, we are bound by the vow of baptism,
to rise to a new life, called to walk in holiness; It is our resonable service now that Christ has brought
us up from death, and put us under the headship of God Almighty, part of the family of God.
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 02:07 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 15 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?


In order for Paul's symbolism to work, baptism by immersion must be in view. Being 'buried in Christ' through baptism then is reflected by being placed under the baptismal waters. Being raised from the dead with Christ would correspond to coming up out of the waters.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:42 PM

Q2. (Romans 6:3-4)
In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism?
Here Paul is symbolically referring to the burial of Christ, and of our burial with Him as our head and representative. Our sin is buried; we share with Him in His death. We are dead to sin by the grace of Christ. We read in Col 2:12 also of being buried with Him in baptism.

What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?
It pictures the re-born believer in Christ rising to walk in newness of life. ‘It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me (Gal 2:20).

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Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism?

When we are immersed under the water, we are buried with Christ in the tomb, our sins nailed to the cross.

What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?

When we come up out of the water, we have been cleansed by Jesus shed blood, to live in newness of life.
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Posted 30 September 2008 - 10:14 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 16 2008, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Romans 6:3-4) In Paul's reference to baptism in 6:3-4, what does "buried" (6:4a) correspond to in the act of baptism? What does "Christ was raised from the dead" (6:4b) correspond to in baptism?


Being buried corresponds to being submerged in the water, Christ being raised from the dead corresponds to emerging from the pool.
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Posted 01 October 2008 - 04:01 AM

I feel like I am missing something in this question because the answer seems too obvious and simple. Going into the water corresponds with burial and rising from the water corresponds with the resurrection from the dead.
Nehemiah 8:10b "This day is sacred to our Lord. Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength."
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