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Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:28 AM
Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
They had disagreements about who was fit to receive salvation.
You can't worship God in spirit and in truth if you have anything against your brother or sister in Christ. You won't be heard.
They had disagreements about who was fit to receive salvation.
You can't worship God in spirit and in truth if you have anything against your brother or sister in Christ. You won't be heard.
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Posted 15 January 2009 - 12:15 AM
Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
The problem among the men of the congregation that Paul is referring to in this verse stemmed from the strife caused by those who were teaching false doctrines. God is pure and those that worship Him must come to Him with pure hearts and clean hands.
The problem among the men of the congregation that Paul is referring to in this verse stemmed from the strife caused by those who were teaching false doctrines. God is pure and those that worship Him must come to Him with pure hearts and clean hands.
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Posted 17 January 2009 - 04:12 PM
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Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
The problem among the men of the congregation is the controversy of salvation that the false teachers were causing among the people. Although they disagreed with one another they carried that anger with them to worship, which did not allow them to freely worship God. Worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart makes you a hyprocite. Worship is supposed to be an expression of your love for God. If you say you love God but hate your brother or sister in your heart, what you are really revealing is that you don't truly love God because man is made in the image of God.
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Posted 18 January 2009 - 03:00 AM
Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse?
There was in this day a superstition that no prayers would be acceptable except those that were offered in the temple at Jerusalem. Later prayers were extended and acceptable if they were offered in the Holy Land. This later gave way to built oratories or places of prayer if these places were built by water or sea.
In Paul’s letter to Timothy, he was announcing to the church at Ephesus that he was opposed to this position, based on the authority of Christ, who commands that men pray everywhere and in all places. Because it is that in every place was the dominion of God because He fills every place. It is in everyplace, he may be worshipped and glorified.
All prayer, whether uttered suddenly darted out; uttered in short sentences or in length, that they be performed standing, sitting, leaning, lying, walking by the way, and during our labour. Praying with out ceasing. May prayer continually be in our hearts, minds and upon our lips, daily before the Lord.
‘Lifting up holy hands’ was a common custom, not only among the Jews, but also among the Gentiles or what were in this day referred to as heathens. To lift up or spread out their arms and hands in prayer was a proper action submitting unto God in earnest request or petition. Paul may also be speaking about the laying on of their hands atop the head of the animal which they brought for a sin-offering, confessing their sins, and then giving up the life of the animal as an atonement for the sins they confessed.
This shows us how Christians should pray. We should come to the altar; set God before our eyes; humble ourselves in repentance of our sins, bring to our remembrance the sacrifice of the Lamb of God; lay our hands on this sacrifice by faith, not in ourselves. Heave praise to the only One worthy, Christ Jesus for His merits in the sacrifice of His own life, thereby saving ours from sin. A holy hand is one washed in the blood of the Lamb of God, showing that we have put away sin and forwarded our lives to the purpose of glorifying and serving God.
What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
I would think it would be an abomination which God would not even turn His ear.
http://www.joyfulhea...p?showtopic=837
There was in this day a superstition that no prayers would be acceptable except those that were offered in the temple at Jerusalem. Later prayers were extended and acceptable if they were offered in the Holy Land. This later gave way to built oratories or places of prayer if these places were built by water or sea.
In Paul’s letter to Timothy, he was announcing to the church at Ephesus that he was opposed to this position, based on the authority of Christ, who commands that men pray everywhere and in all places. Because it is that in every place was the dominion of God because He fills every place. It is in everyplace, he may be worshipped and glorified.
All prayer, whether uttered suddenly darted out; uttered in short sentences or in length, that they be performed standing, sitting, leaning, lying, walking by the way, and during our labour. Praying with out ceasing. May prayer continually be in our hearts, minds and upon our lips, daily before the Lord.
‘Lifting up holy hands’ was a common custom, not only among the Jews, but also among the Gentiles or what were in this day referred to as heathens. To lift up or spread out their arms and hands in prayer was a proper action submitting unto God in earnest request or petition. Paul may also be speaking about the laying on of their hands atop the head of the animal which they brought for a sin-offering, confessing their sins, and then giving up the life of the animal as an atonement for the sins they confessed.
This shows us how Christians should pray. We should come to the altar; set God before our eyes; humble ourselves in repentance of our sins, bring to our remembrance the sacrifice of the Lamb of God; lay our hands on this sacrifice by faith, not in ourselves. Heave praise to the only One worthy, Christ Jesus for His merits in the sacrifice of His own life, thereby saving ours from sin. A holy hand is one washed in the blood of the Lamb of God, showing that we have put away sin and forwarded our lives to the purpose of glorifying and serving God.
What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
I would think it would be an abomination which God would not even turn His ear.
http://www.joyfulhea...p?showtopic=837
"Prayer is the spirit, speaking truth to truth". Philip James Bailey
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Posted 18 January 2009 - 04:50 AM
I concur with the earlier comments, we can not go to the altar and worship God in spirit and truth if we carry anger towards others in our hearts.
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Posted 18 January 2009 - 04:15 PM
Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
God has always be concerned with the condition of our hearts. When we say one thing and feel another (with our heart) we are divided... Division is enmity against God. He desires unity, reconciliation, loving all, even those we have aught against. God will not listen or even hear prayers that come from this condition of the heart. He is not the focus when we act this way. He is not on the throne of our hearts... He is a jealous God and desires all of our hearts not just part of it. We can not fullfil our mission in life if we lack unconditional love in our hearts.
God has always be concerned with the condition of our hearts. When we say one thing and feel another (with our heart) we are divided... Division is enmity against God. He desires unity, reconciliation, loving all, even those we have aught against. God will not listen or even hear prayers that come from this condition of the heart. He is not the focus when we act this way. He is not on the throne of our hearts... He is a jealous God and desires all of our hearts not just part of it. We can not fullfil our mission in life if we lack unconditional love in our hearts.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 03:03 PM
Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
The anger in their hearts and their arguments over things not protaining to the gospel and bringing other men to salvation. He was telling them that their prayers were not heard by God if theri was any anger in their heart. Jesus said if you come to offer a sacrifice and have something against your brother leave your gift at the alter and go and be reconciled to your brother then come and offer your gift. God wants your worship only as it comes from a pure heart. We can't have a pure heart with hate living their. Jesus loves us so much that He streatched out His arms and died for us and he wants us to have that same kind of love for our brothers. I f we want our prayers to be heard then we must come to God with a pure and loving heart.
The anger in their hearts and their arguments over things not protaining to the gospel and bringing other men to salvation. He was telling them that their prayers were not heard by God if theri was any anger in their heart. Jesus said if you come to offer a sacrifice and have something against your brother leave your gift at the alter and go and be reconciled to your brother then come and offer your gift. God wants your worship only as it comes from a pure heart. We can't have a pure heart with hate living their. Jesus loves us so much that He streatched out His arms and died for us and he wants us to have that same kind of love for our brothers. I f we want our prayers to be heard then we must come to God with a pure and loving heart.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 10:41 PM
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Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
the men were infighting in the congregation. god will not honor or listen to the prayers until the one praying has reconciled to his brother and has a pure heart.
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 12:43 AM
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Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
True worship comes from a pure heart. When we're focused on God and his holiness we enter into true worship. If we have discontent and strief in our minds we aren't focusing on God. God knows our innermost thoughts. He KNOWS who are worshiping and who are just going through the motions. There is nothing more beautiful than a group of people worshiping in one accord. ALL focused on the Lord. That's when you feel the Holiness of God's presence. PRAISE GOD!! \o/
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 01:20 AM
The men were involved in serious arguments and infighting over the controversies being caused by those who were false teachers. It was so serious that it was affecting the “purity of worship in the church.” They were going through the motions of worship but they were truly not in a spiritual condition to worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness.
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 10:30 AM
Q:3
Paul continued to give directions for the operation of local
Churches (ch. 3). But now the concern is for proper demeanours prayers,
But why these concerns, and why in this way? And why the
Inordinate amount of time devoted to the women in comparison with the
Men? Again, the solution lies with the false teachers. The word to the men
is an obvious response to their controversies and strife. The word to the
Women, therefore, may be assumed also to respond to this conflict
Paul did not command the men to pray with upraised hands. He simply described
Public praying as the Christians practiced it commonly in his day.
Pax
Paul continued to give directions for the operation of local
Churches (ch. 3). But now the concern is for proper demeanours prayers,
But why these concerns, and why in this way? And why the
Inordinate amount of time devoted to the women in comparison with the
Men? Again, the solution lies with the false teachers. The word to the men
is an obvious response to their controversies and strife. The word to the
Women, therefore, may be assumed also to respond to this conflict
Paul did not command the men to pray with upraised hands. He simply described
Public praying as the Christians practiced it commonly in his day.
Pax
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 10:38 AM
Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
The problem was on form of prayer, worship and people were not having a right relationship with God and also with one another , but under the gospel, prayer is not to be confined to any one particular house of prayer, but men must pray every where. We must pray in our closets, pray in our families, pray at our meals, pray when we are on journeys, and pray in the solemn assemblies, whether more public or private. We must pray in charity; without wrath, or malice, or anger at any person.
The problem was on form of prayer, worship and people were not having a right relationship with God and also with one another , but under the gospel, prayer is not to be confined to any one particular house of prayer, but men must pray every where. We must pray in our closets, pray in our families, pray at our meals, pray when we are on journeys, and pray in the solemn assemblies, whether more public or private. We must pray in charity; without wrath, or malice, or anger at any person.
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I think there are a number of reasons
1. Holiness is a pre-requisite for acceptance before God. We are washed in the blood of Jesus and sanctified by the Holy Spirit thus we are holy members of the family of God. This is in our state before God, and this should be our state in our daily living.
2. Holiness in attitude and living should include self control, a fruit of the spirit, and an outcome of the our Godliness.
3. Quarreling implies disagreement of dissension with people, an indication of unpure heart towards people. A more of a reasons to seek reconciliation and holiness
my 2 cents
1. Holiness is a pre-requisite for acceptance before God. We are washed in the blood of Jesus and sanctified by the Holy Spirit thus we are holy members of the family of God. This is in our state before God, and this should be our state in our daily living.
2. Holiness in attitude and living should include self control, a fruit of the spirit, and an outcome of the our Godliness.
3. Quarreling implies disagreement of dissension with people, an indication of unpure heart towards people. A more of a reasons to seek reconciliation and holiness
my 2 cents
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 01:41 PM
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Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
the condition of the heart is an excellent reflection of our belief - any beliefs for that matter.
a) lifting up holy hands - made holy by the blood of jesus; the righteousness of god in christ!
without wrath - forgiving freely as we have been forgiven freely; for they do not know what they do...c) without doubting - because god hears us always; based on the righteousness of christ - NOT OURS...
amen?
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 02:23 PM
Q3. (1 Timothy 2:8). What problem among the men of the congregation is Paul referring to in this verse? What is so serious about worshipping with the opposite of love in your heart?
They are going through the motions of prayer however their hearts are not pure with love for God but full of anger and infighting. Anger is a secondary emotion so perhaps there was jealousy and selfish ambition present. Anyway they were not showing unity and love for God. There can be disagreements but they should be handled gently and with love.
Are we not in the danger of entering into false worship if we have hate in our hearts for our brethren, those who God loves while we worship.
Some Bible verses I found on love:
Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love
Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at anytime. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:21 And this commandment we have from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Proverbs 10:12 Hate stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
We need to pray for each other and as always I have work to do in every area of my life. Our enemy seeks to take our minds off Christ to make us ineffective for His kingdom.
God Bless!
Jen
Numbers 6:24-26
They are going through the motions of prayer however their hearts are not pure with love for God but full of anger and infighting. Anger is a secondary emotion so perhaps there was jealousy and selfish ambition present. Anyway they were not showing unity and love for God. There can be disagreements but they should be handled gently and with love.
Are we not in the danger of entering into false worship if we have hate in our hearts for our brethren, those who God loves while we worship.
Some Bible verses I found on love:
Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love
Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at anytime. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:21 And this commandment we have from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Proverbs 10:12 Hate stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
We need to pray for each other and as always I have work to do in every area of my life. Our enemy seeks to take our minds off Christ to make us ineffective for His kingdom.
God Bless!
Jen
Numbers 6:24-26
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 02:31 PM
The anger and doubt that the congregation of Ephesus displayed showed irreverence toward God and was completely contradictory as to who He is and what He requires of us in prayer.
God is love and anger is hate. The Lord requires us to worship Him in spirit and in truth. When you approach Him with anger and/or doubt you are in the flesh, your mind is elsewhere rather than on Him so, your prayer is a lie. It's phoney.
God is love and anger is hate. The Lord requires us to worship Him in spirit and in truth. When you approach Him with anger and/or doubt you are in the flesh, your mind is elsewhere rather than on Him so, your prayer is a lie. It's phoney.