Pastor Ralph Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvoryEagle Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? THE KING HAS THE POWER TO HAVE HIM KILLED IF HE DOES NOT LIKE HOW WHAT HE SAYS MAKES HIM FEEL. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? PROJECTION!! HE SAW IT IN SOMEONE ELSE FIRST, AND THEN HIMSELF. HE HAD ALREADY CONDEMNED HIMSELF. How does David's condemnation of the rich man's greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? THE LOGIC WAS OVER; ALL THAT WAS LEFT WAS ACCOUNTABILITY AND LEADERSHIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 It was dangerous for Nathan to confront the king. He had power to not listen, or to have Nathan leave his sight. Nathan told David a story he could emotionally get caught up in. Once he angrily spoke out that that man was a sinner needing judgement, Nathan had him apply that story to the truth of what David had done. He saw more easily his need for forgiveness & repentance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csreeves Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? David could have beheaded him. Storytelling, David was going to behead the other person in the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David's condemnation of the rich man's greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? As a king, David did not have to listen to Nathan. Nathan could have been denied attention id he did not use godly wisdom to approach the king. Nathan therefore used a story of injustice which attracted David's attention and his anger against any such ugly offender who could rob a poor man of his only possession. By acknowledging and pronouncing that what the rich man did was great injustice, David merely passed a sentence on himself which made Nathan's job easier subsequently. He had done worst than what the rich man in the story was said to have done- murdered Uriah, the husband of Bathsheba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwalane Mofokeng Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? He could have been killed What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? Telling him about the parable of the rich and poor man How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? v15 The Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had given birth to for David so that the child became sick. 16 David pleaded with God for the child; he fasted and lay on the ground all night. 17 The older leaders in his palace stood beside him to raise him up from the ground, but he was unwilling. And he wouldn’t eat with them. he suffered the consequences of his own deeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delivered Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? In the FLESH Nathan the prophet would have been going against the STATE and it could have been a death sentence for him, however, Nathan was not going to David in the “FLESH”, it was “JEHOVAH” who sent Nathan unto David, and he went prepared with a powerful Spirit filled message, a message that would reach the “HEART” of King David, a heart after God's own heart. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? Nathan went to David with a story, not just any story, but one that would touch a heart that truly longs for God. How does David's condemnation of the rich man's greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? It reached his heart, the heart that appeared to be in dormancy was touched, and David’s heart for God was rekindled, as his heart cried out for God's "JUSTICE" to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar Jim Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? There was a chance that David would fly into a rage and have Nathan killed. David was known as a rational man but in these circumstances he may just act irrationally. He'd already had Uriah killed and was desperate to keep the cover up . . . covered up. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? Nathan uses a kind of a parable to get David's attention. He tells David of a rich man who took a poor man's only possession rather than use one of his own many possessions, just because he could. He knew David's sense of outrage at such an act would make him condemn the rich man's callousness. How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? David naturally pronounces his sentence on the perhaps hypothetical rich man. (No names were mentioned after all) When Nathan reveals that his tale is a parable and that David is the villain of the piece, David is convicted by his own words. Very clever on Nathan's part, although God's hand was clearly in this whole confrontation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhndwsh Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yes. It might be dangerous for Nathan since the king has power to have him killed especially confronting him with information not to his liking. He was shown by Nathan by a story of some else first in order to see it was actually him he was condemning for his own action of sins. Nathan uses the story of the rich man with several sheeps and the poor man with one mere little ewe. How the rich man took the ewe from the poor man instead of one of his several Sheep slewed to make a feast. After David agreed that the rich man should be severely punished, that when Nathan told him it was him. Showing him that he did the same thing and he has to be accountable for his sins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? David's word was law! Nathan risked his life to confront him, if David chose to kill him, as many kings before and after him, killed God's prophets who displeased them! What device does Nathan employ to get the king to listen to him? Nathan used a parable about a beloved ewe lamb who was killed, which echoed David's sin in stealing Bathsheba from her husband Uriah. How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? He was enraged by this cruel act, and demanded punishment by death for the man who did this....when Nathan said "You are the man!" David instantly recognized himself as the cruel murderer and thief and acknowledged his sin. Nathan said "the Lord has put away your sin; you shall not die" So David was forgiven but had to live with the painful consequences of his actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Grace Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? It is dangerous for Nathan because the King could react in any way he wanted to. If he didn't want to hear what Nathan said and he decided to lop his head off for speaking then so be it! David it seems was going through a prideful period in his life. Military victories, growing Kingdom, absolute power over the nations around him and then with Bathsheba, taking what he wanted on a whim and covering over his sin even to the point of premeditated murder. There can be a madness in power and there was danger! The devise that Nathan used was a parable in which David himself would be the judge. But little did he know he was judging himself! When David judged the man in the parable, I believe he received a wake-up call. Sometimes we are double minded and we don't see that the sin we condemn in others can be our own sin also. As we grow, God shows us that and I think David "saw" at this point that he was the guilty party and realized that the judgement he gave another should be meted out to himself also. He had not come forward voluntarily with his sin. He had been called out and had spoken his own judgement. How awful! I think later, he realizes his judgement on another was even harsher than what God delivered to him. He thought the man should die and have to pay 4x's over for the lamb! Men it seems to me, have way less pity or mercy than God does. David did not die, but did pay a life for a life, but not 4x's over. He did receive forgiveness and that was more than he would have given for the man who he would have condemned to death. Nevertheless, David was convicted of his sin and finally repents and learned a bit about mercy for others too I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjcargile Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 David had the power to kill Nathan if he had not accepted what he told him "you are that man." What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? He use the story of a rich man taking a poor man's one and only lamb and preparing it for a traveling guest. David realized he was that rich man who was guilty of sleeping with Bethsheba and having her husband killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions. Something happens to people who get power unless they are humble before the Lord. It's like the power someone feels behind the wheel of a car. That's how stupid we are. Or look at Esther with Ahasueherus. She feared for her life just approaching him much less speaking anything. Whereas we are encouraged to come before the throne of grace for mercy and help in time of need. Nathan knows that David will not listen to anything about himself right off. Nathan has to soften his heart first and then say after David has condemned the rich man. He could do this with David because underneath the built up hardness was still a heart for God. Someone of David's power with thin skin would have reupted before Nathan however David immediately knew what he had done and repented with deep sorrow. David even in his imperfections was a man after God's own heart. God Bless Jen Romans:15:13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David's condemnation of the rich man's greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? In those days the king was normally all-powerful and demanded utmost respect. Confronting such a king directly could result in death! Therefore, to tell the king about his sin would take courage, compassion, and wisdom. This Nathan did by using a juridical parable to get his message subtly across. It is a parable that focuses on David’s sins - we see a picture of David, Uriah, and Bathsheba. David is the rich man. The poor man is Uriah. The lamb is Bathsheba. We notice that David could judge sin in others more easily than in himself. However, David’s response and condemnation of the rich man actually pronounced judgment on himself. He was disgusted with the rich man’s behaviour and declared that the rich man should restore fourfold and deserved to die for his sin. It was when Nathan pointed out to David that he was the rich man in the parable that the full realization of what he had done came to him and he then came to the place of repentance and confessed his sin as being against the LORD. Ironically, it was David who eventually had to restore fourfold, as he himself had decreed concerning the rich man in the parable: The baby would die; Amnon would be murdered; Absalom would be slain; and Adonijah would be executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raph Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? It might be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king because of the power the king have and is normally not ready to listen to the person who want to discredit him. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? To get the King listen, Nathan employs a device of a story between a poor and a rich man. How does David's condemnation of the rich man's greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? David saw his wrong doings in that story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis63 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? David could have allowed negative emotion to lead his conscience and have Nathan put to death. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? Judicial parable, storytelling, How does David's condemnation of the rich man's greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? The parable reaches David's heart, his reins, his innermost, he is convicted. Since David cared for sheep, and he had compassion for people the parable hit home! He is able to see the grave injustice that occurred because of his decision making. He is able to see beyond he conniving efforts to cover sins and actually see that he has sinned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highohfaith Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? Nathan had to be careful and insightful, after all he was following God's command by confronting David. At any time David (who has already unjustly killed a man) could have turned against Nathan, and had him killed. David,at this point, most certainly is in denial, and doesn't want to be confronted about his sin. Oftentimes we humans hide our sin, we don't see it for what it really is, disobedience. We want to maintain an outward appearance of being righteous. David may well have thought he pulled off a sin in which God did not see, but it is more likely as the parable suggest that David himself didn't recognize his own sin, often our pride or our own will, gets in the way of our discernment. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? He used a parable which, in a way "tricked" David into seeing what he had done and David, unknowingly, pronounced judgement on himself (projection). Though David didn't realize it at first until Nathan said "you are that man". His disobedience was at that moment revealed to him. And it hit him HARD. At that moment he realized fully what he had done, that he would feel God's wrath, and know God's forgiveness but he must repent. David was terribly saddened (broken) by what he had done. Sometimes God brings us into brokenness, so he can renew, rebuild us. God always has a plan which has our best interest in mind. How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? Once he is told by Nathan that the rich man is him, David see the truth of what he has done. He is no longer in denial. He sees his sin for what it really is, wicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Jerry Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 The reason that it might be dangerous for Nathan to confront the king is that the king has control over everything and he could have had Nathan removed. He would not even have to listen to him. The device that Nathan employed to get the king to listen to him was to tell him a story about a different situation and let him judge that story. When David condemned the rich man’s greed and Nathan told him that it was a story about him then David realized that Nathan was talking about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semeion Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? David is known for killing people on the spot-Nathan, the prophet could have been killed confronting him. Nathan uses a story or parable to illustrate the point of selfishness and violence. David is finally able to see from anopther perspective- and is brought down a notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platoz Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? Because it could have been “off with his head”. In an attempt to stop any gossip David could have had Nathan killed as soon as he got the drift of what Nathan was trying to say to him. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? He puts the story of David's sin in a parable. And then when David says what should happen to the rich man in the parable who took the poor man's sheep Nathan tells him that this was the same thing that David did when he committed adultry with Bathsheba. So David just convicted himself. How does David's condemnation of the rich man's greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? David just convicted himself and passed judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda bass Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 It might have been dangerous for Nathan to confront the king,because David could have had him executed or banished from the kingdom. Nathan used a parable about a poor man and his pet lamb. A rich man had guests,but instead of killing one of the sheep from his flocks to serve as a meal,he killed the poor man's lamb. When David condemns the rich man for his greed, Nathan tells him, "you are that man!" When confronted with his sin,David acknowledges his guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blezed Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? 1. Because David could have him killed also. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? 2. Nathan tells David a parable in which David, being king, has the authority to judge on. How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? 3. When David condemned the rich man and Nathan told him it was he that he was talking about David was able to see the wrong he had done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioned Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? The king had supreme authority and did not need to listen to anyone and this word that the prophet was bringing might not be welcomed. What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? Nathan told the King what he wanted him to know by telling his story disguised. How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? David's condemn the rich man's greed because in his heart he sympathized with the poor man. This led him to recognize himself in the story. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tammie7 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 He could have Nathan killed,By telling him a story, He had to acknowledge his wrong doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Overstreet Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Q3. (2 Samuel 12:1-10) Why might it be dangerous for Nathan the prophet to confront the king? What device does Nathan employ get the king to listen to him? How does David’s condemnation of the rich man’s greed help him acknowledge and condemn his own actions? a) It could be dangerous for Nathan, because the king has supreme authority over the people of his kingdom. The king doesn't have to listen to anyone if he chooses not to. Nathan tells the story (a parable) of the rich man and the poor man. A story of injustice where the rich man robbed a poor man of his only possion. This caused David's anger at the injustice from the rich man. c) The parable was about David, but before he realized it, David said the man who did this surely deserves to die, and he continued he must pay for that lamb 4 times over because he did such a thing and had no pity. Then Nathan told David "You are that man". By acknowledging that what the rich man done was a great injustice, David passed sentence on himself. What David had done was worse than what the rich man had done, with David's adultry and murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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