Pastor Ralph Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis81 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? As we encounter opportunities/incidents in our daily living and we adhere to the Spirit’s Leading; when we do not follow inclinations that differs from the Holy Spirit as we walk (live, move and have our being/ conduct or lives) the fruit is being produced. What theological term would you use to identify this process? Sanctification How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? The Holy Spirit doesn’t force us to obedience; He doesn’t force us to adhere to His leading/guidance. As we encounter opposition (circumstances, situations, events) we have a the choice to chose love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. The time(s) that we walk by the flesh/sight instead of faith or the time(s) we need to renew our thinking. Hence Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear ones, as you have always obeyed [my suggestions], so now, not only [with the enthusiasm you would show] in my presence but much more because I am absent, work out (cultivate, carry out to the goal, and fully complete) your own salvation with reverence and awe and trembling (self-distrust, with serious caution, tenderness of conscience, watchfulness against temptation, timidly shrinking from whatever might offend God and discredit the name of Christ). keep working out your deliverance with fear and trembling, = submission to the Lord. Philippians 2:12-13 (CEV) 12 My dear friends, you always obeyed when I was with you. Now that I am away, you should obey even more. So work with fear and trembling to discover what it really means to be saved. 13 God is working in you to make you willing and able to obey him. “Work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition," We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification. “Trembling” —a healthy fear/a reverential fear having disregarded the Holy Spirit’s leading/walking along side through disobedience. Are they saved, but just immature? Salvation by Grace through Faith Alone Ephesians 2:8-9; he/she is saved as the abide in Christ. He/she through the process of Sanctification should cast the before the Lord acknowledging the weakness as he/she realize his/her witness id of higher purpose. In the process of Sanctification as the Holy Spirit heals/help if we’re in this state we need to ask Him to assist us with 2nd Corinthians 10:5 – demolishing arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. For the weapons of our warfare are not the weapons of the world. Instead, they have divine power to demolish strongholds (2nd Corinthians 10:4). What does James 2:17-19 say about this? James in a nut shell is saying our actions/our conduct/our behavior should align with our belief/faith. Is that too harsh? It's inspired Word from God, it's a reminder that our witness is of importance not only to ourselves; it also has the power of influence positively or negatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted October 23, 2018 Report Share Posted October 23, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? The Holy Spirit produces the fruit of the Spirit while we walk actively in His way. We must not think that we are to passively submit to His control – surrender to His leading. We are ourselves to walk in the right way, to occupy ourselves with spiritual things. This means to reject what is evil and to turn to what is good – disciplined in turning to the things of the Spirit. To set our minds on the things that are above – whatever is true, honourable, just, pure, lovely, and gracious (Philippians 4:8). The work we do together with the Holy Spirit, that makes us more and more free from sin and like our Lord Jesus in our lives, is called sanctification. This continues throughout our Christian life. There is another term used – the Perseverance of the Saints. This means that all who are truly born again will be kept by God’s power and will persevere as Christians until the end of their lives, and that only those who persevere until the end have been truly born again. If a person has been a “Christian” for years and does not display any of these fruit, we may start to question their salvation. The Holy Spirit that is genuinely at work in our lives, will be producing the fruit of the spirit, and over a period of time these attributes will become more and more visible. Young and immature believers should be given the benefit of the doubt, but eventually they will show evidence of obedience and love for Jesus if they are truly saved. As James mentions, their behaviour will attest to their true faith. We know that our good deeds can never earn our salvation, but also that true faith always results in a changed life and resulting good deeds – showing that our commitment to God is real. Our obedience and loving service are not a substitute for, but rather a verification of, our faith in Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blezed Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? The Holy Spirit produces this fruit in our lives by the renewing of our mind. We are to continue to work out our salvation with fear and trembling as God works inside of us. What theological term would you use to identify this process? The theological term is sanctification. How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? The life they live must be pleasing to Christ. If they do not live this life they will not receive these fruits. Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? Once save we will always be saved. The process is a gradual process. James is saying that it is not enough to just have faith. You must do good works to prove that you have faith. True faith always results in a change life and good works. Not too harsh, just facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godswriter Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? It is a direct result of His presence in our lives when He lives within us and we yield to Him fully. Also when we choose to renew our minds with the Word of God daily it happens. We need to work out our faith with fear and trembling. The term used is Sanctification where we are set apart by God. They must be living a life that pleases the Lord. However when they don't they don't they are pruned away for better fruit. Faith without works is dead and works without faith is dead. Meaning that you cannot have one without the other and so that being said; faith is not shown without the works being done. No it's not too harsh. It is the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutsa Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 QUESTION 4: LESSON 7 How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? (In Colossians 3:9-10) we read about the change that takes place when one walks with the Spirit. Paul exhorts his audience not to lie as they had taken off the old clothes and were dressed in new. It can also be compared to how a snake sheds its skin. It leaves the old skin behind. This is how the Holy Spirit produces the fruit in our lives: - · We can observe someone appearing to be struggling from a materialistic stand point whilst inwardly that person is growing stronger and stronger spiritually. (Corinthians 4:16b) · The mind is renewed in order for us to be transformed (Romans 12:2b) · Being born again we are cleansed and renewed by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5b) · We are changed, transformed. What theological term would you use to identify this process? The process of being renewed is called sanctification by Theologians. How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? We have a cricket in our country which is found in marshy land. This shiny brown creature can dive into mud and come out as shiny as ever without any sign of mud on it. This creature is like the “Christian” who for years has not picked up or shown any of the fruit because they are not walking with the Holy Spirit and miss an opportunity to develop the characteristics of one who is born again. Are they saved, but just immature? They are hovering on the fence neither warm nor cold. They need to carry on walking with the Holy Spirit so that the process of transformation can be completed. They need to be active applying the verb “to do”. What does James 2:17-19 say about this? James is discouraging passive transformation where one believes and is said to be walking with the Holy Spirit but has a spectator mentality in what happens around them. He wants to see people in the process of transformation walking the talk. Is that too harsh? I think he is trying to galvanize his audience to action and avoid a lethargic approach to their faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Michael Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 The Holy Spirit can produce fruit in us only as we submit and yield to His control. The fruit is the result of a life of obedience. The term would be sanctification which is a life long process. Initial sanctification, I have been saved, progressive sanctification I am being saved, glorification I will be saved. They are save but in a dormant state. Not active not allowing the Spirit to control them as their lives will not be full of joy. I think that the truth needs to be told and that everyone who claims to be saved must continue to grow not wither up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Grant Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? 1. While the Holy Spirit is working in our lives, he changes us slowly. 2. Sanctification, holiness 3. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 4. No, they are not saved because they must activate their walk with God all they way. When we walk in the flesh, there isn't much character transformation taking place. 5. You must show action with your faith. Otherwise, your faith in God is dead. 6. No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosegarden Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 1:44 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? a. As we walk in the Spirit and crucify the flesh, yielding to the control of the Holy Spirit, we are changed and the fruits of the Spirit are produced. b. The theological term for this process is - Sanctification. c. Because they are not fully living by the Holy Spirit and still living in the flesh, not allowing and submitting to the Holy Spirit for change. d. They are saved but on pause. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. ... if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:7-9) God is still drawing them, but they are too much into the world and need to submit to the Holy Spirit's leading and be renewed the Spirit of their mind and get on track with the Holy Spirit's working. e. They need to believe and be strong in faith and produce the fruits of the Spirit that bring forth good works. f. No not harsh, true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lottie Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? The Holy Spirit produces this fruit in our lives when we walk with Him and are obedient to God's Word. It is worked out in us when we refuse to yield to temptation and sin. When we choose to keep ourselves from sin and the lusts of the flesh, the eyes, and the pride of life. This term is called sanctification and it is an ongoing process. We are transformed by the renewing of our mind's to become more and more like Jesus. People who say that they are Christians and yet never show any fruit are not saved at all. They are just professing Christians who never gave their heart to God. Unlike ones who stray and then come back to God again. Their hearts are not right with God and they are lying. Just like in the parable of the two sons when the father asked the one to work in the field he said he would but he lied and never came whereas the other one said no but then changed his mind and came. James clearly states that if a person says he has faith but shows no fruit, then the person's faith is dead or useless. It is not too harsh because Jesus clearly said in John 15 verse 1 that anyone who does not bear fruit will be taken away and the ones that are fruitful he prunes so they produce more. Clearly, He is talking about the difference between those who are really saved and those who are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Dave Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? For this fruit to show in our lives, we need to constantly stay in submission to the Spirit. Although this might seem easier said than done, I think that spending significant amounts of time one on one, mostly listening to what God has to say is something that helps. Confessing our wrongs is also important. To come into any kind of submission with the Spirit we need to also spend ample time in the Word. It is a process and not an instant makeover. If there was a word which best describes this process it is sanctification. God “sets us aside” and marks us as His. For a Christian to be years showing little, if any fruit, what is the problem? I would have to say the person simply isn’t submitting himself to the Spirit like he should but to always remember that God is very patient and does not give up on those He has set aside as His. Yes, they are as saved as anyone who claims Jesus is the Christ, Son of God who died for our sins but to keep in mind that he falls under the category of a work in progress, a progress that continues till our last day. Concerning the verse in James I would not call it harsh because it is true. Even a diamond in its roughest stages before becoming a sparkling gem is a work in progress. Many are those who have faith in the saving power of Jesus, yet don’t share this with anyone. The body becomes alive when works take place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen11 Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 1:44 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? The Holy Spirit produces as we Walk in the Spirit, being Led by the Spirit, and Conforming to the Spirit.. Sanctification They profess with there mouth but have sin in there lives, they have to confess that sin, stay in the word, God will not give up on them. Yes they are saved, they need to keep going forward, keeping the Word in their eyes and ears. No, I do not believe that is harsh, it is true, you have to believe, have faith, live it and walk in it and people will ask what is your hope. Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Mc Daniel Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just Immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? 4a. The fruit of the Spirit is produced in the believer through or by the working of the Holy Spirit. John 15:1-5 Jesus is the vine and we are the branches we must abide in him to produce the fruit of the Spirit. 4b. Sanctification or spiritual formation 4 c. It is possible for a person to be a “Christian” for years and display few or none of the fruit of the Spirit. The evident seem they are not submitting nor walking in Holy Spirit as , we note, there are few fruit, which tell me, there is a conflict and struggle with their flesh . However, 1 John 2:6-7, 9 “If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin…” If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” 4d. Yes, they are saved, because Jesus atonement covers us. “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. but if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1John 2:1-2) 4 e. James 2:17-19 says faith without works is dead; works without faith is dead. "Believing in God is no proof we are justified by faith alone, even the devils believe without justification." 4 f. Not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippians1.2 Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." (Galatians 5:22-23) Just like when a person joins the military, there is a season of change, starting with the clothing they are given new military uniforms which help them to assimilate to their new surroundings; then comes the hair cut and so on. As we take off the old life and put on the New life in the Spirit , His Fruit becomes more evident in our lives. * What theological term would you use to identify this process? Just as in the military they have formations so it is in the Spirit as well. With this Spiritual Formation or santification we can see the changes as the fruit starts to blossom. * How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Spending time in "church" is not the same as Spending time in the Spirit. In just one month walking in the Spirit , people saw the fruitful changes in me more than the 15 years prior that i spent going to church. * Are they saved, but just immature? When people say they have accepted Christ Jesus as their Lord , baptized or not, only God knows their heart. If they have gone through the motions of being baptized and have learned of and pray for the Holy Spirit to fill them , they have made the commitment to God, now its only a matter of the time they spend with the Holy Spirit to grow. The 'hungrier' they are the faster the change in their lives that show that commitment. They are saved through Christ's covering but they grow in the Spirit. * What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? James presents the obvious, as one walks and grows in the Spirit good deeds ( that Glorify the LORD ) will follow the Believer.... As they walk in their Faith other then just talking about it. Sometimes Truth hurts. 17 So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless. Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.” You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[a] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. James 2:17-19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David W Donnelly Posted November 11, 2018 Report Share Posted November 11, 2018 AS I HAVE MENTIONED, THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT CONSENT TO BE OUR MASTER. When we consent to be guided by Him and follow His guidance He changes us gently, little by little towards having the mind of Christ. If you stop for a second to remember the man you used to, be you will recognize that He has made massive changes that you were not aware of at the time. I had a bad temper, ready to lash out if physically challenged. If verbally challenged I could tear you to pieces with my tongue, and I am ashamed to have to admit that foul language was never lacking. I would lie and steal as 'necessary'. Please do not think I boast when I say that these things have all fallen away. No effort on my part achieved this. You can call the process sanctification or growing up in the Lord.. We all grow at different rates, but if, after a long time, we cannot see much improvement, we can be sure that we have not been listening to the Spirit. He is easily grieved and will leave you alone if you show you don't want His help by ignoring his advice. In the worst case you might want to get on your knees and seek from Jesus confirmation of your salvation. Do it now-tomorrow may never come. James was brought up a Jew. It would have been deep in his wiring that salvation is of works, not that he says that, but the stress is there. Not that he is wrong. The good works that we do spring from the love of Christ within us. If they are for anything it is to please our Lord. They do not help with salvation, and they do not show that we are approved by God. There are many I know who seem to be better Christians than most Christians are. Why? They are seeking salvation by works. If you have the love of Christ is within you, you cannot stop yourself from doing good = the urge to help is now part of you. If you don't, it is legitimate to ask if the love of Christ is present. Even some Christians have some idea that they must do good deeds to part pay for their salvation We must boldly preach the truth=that salvation is the finished work of Christ- on every suitable occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 10:44 AM, Pastor Ralph said: Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? 4a. When we are born again, the Holy Spirit comes in to live in us. As during the war the marines would send troops through the waves and onto the shores....and they would radio back to the ship "The Island is secure"...when in fact they had established a mere "toehold". Though they fully intended to "take and secure" the entire island, given time and battles. Holy Spirit's "toehold" is like that....He very patiently begins the process of securing more and more of our mind and actions, as He now has given birth to our dead spirit. As He gains more territory with our cooperation in yielding to Him, the fruit of His Spirit begins to manifest in our words and actions, replacing the "works of the flesh" to which we were limited in our "dead" state. b. I would call this Transformation, or Regeneration. But It's really being raised from death to life, spiritually speaking, since prior to His entrance, we had no ability to produce any lasting, Godly, fruit and no ability to do anything other than sin. c. I know a few of these. I would say that without the benefit of and willingness to go through the pain of "recovery' from a life of cruelty and abuse, I would be like one of those....saved, but crippled emotionally to the point of just existing and waiting to die...or at best, faking it until they think they can make it, but looking like the set of the old western movies....Vogue on the outside, but Vague on the inside. d. I believe they may be saved... some give the Holy Spirit a toe hold...enough to get into Heaven, but permitting no further advance of His influence or training. It's called being stuck in inertia. Those would be immature. e. explains the "I'm a Christian" but is not: e. James is being honest.....no works to demonstrate faith is useless faith in terms of the Kingdom of God. Got their ticket to Heaven "punched". But then I know someone who faked being a Christian for years, married a Christian woman, behaved well enough to "fit in" with believers, served in the church, but confessed prior to his death that he had never accepted Christ! Just sad to waste a life in either state....faking faith, or barren faith. Must make our Lord so very sad, since He is a gentleman and will not impose His will upon anyone and loves them just the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD35 Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? As the Holy Spirit works in our lives he changes us gradually, he makes us holy in our character. It is a process that is activated on our part by walking in the Spirit and on God's part by bringing about change in us by his Spirit. What theological term would you use to identify this process? It is sometimes called sanctification or spiritual formation. How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? Jesus told us clearly what we must do to bear good fruit. He said, “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing” John 15:4-5. A branch must stay firmly attached to the trunk to stay alive. As disciples of Christ, we must stay firmly connected to Him to remain spiritually productive. A branch draws strength, nourishment, protection, and energy from the vine. We need daily surrender, daily communication, and daily—sometimes hourly—repentance and connection with the Holy Spirit in order to “walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh” . Staying intimately connected to the true Vine is the only way to bear fruit. What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? James 2:17-19 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Jerry Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 The Holy Spirit, if we listen to Him, will keep us on the straight and narrow road to heaven. If we listen to the spirit He will tell us when we aren’t doing the things that we should be doing. The theological term I would use to identify this process is sanctification. A person who has been called a “Christian” for years can display few or none of these fruits because they haven’t been listening to the Spirit and has not been following it. I don’t know if that person is saved because that isn’t my call but they are immature. James says that if we have faith we will have deeds but if we don’t then we don’t have faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) Q. How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? A. The Holy Spirit influences/ transforms our character to conform with the Divine character to enables us live Godly lives (as against the acts of flesh) Q. What theological term would you use to identify this process? A. The process of changing us towards righteousness by the Holy Spirit is gradual and is called sanctification How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? A. The progress made in our spiritual growth depends on our willingness to yield to the transformation work of the Holy Spirit. Thus some can achieve rapid progress while those not so yielding record slow growth. Q. Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? A. Such people are saved but need to grow to maturity growing in both faith and works of righteousness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenBoy Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 7/23/2018 at 12:44 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? By walking in the Holy SPirit and allowing Holy Spirit guidance in our life ,The power of Holy Spirit manifests in us to produce the fruits .By walking(giving authority to the Word of God) ,being led and conforming with the statutes of biblical worldview -Holy SPirit resteins us from sin and empowers us to walk in Grace. What theological term would you use to identify this process? Stoicheo meaning walk or be in line or step with the standard ,agreeing ,following .conforming and holding onto , How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? This happens when renewal or rebirth has not occured , Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? No .they are not saved .But God is the final authority to judge them as they may get saved ,Only God knows , .James 2:17-19 says faith without works is dead; works without faith is dead. "Believing in God is no proof we are justified by faith alone, even the devils believe without justification." 4 James speaks honestly .To sinners and those soft on sin may find it harsh .But it is better to be in heaven without an appendage than the whole body .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosesam Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? As we walk in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit slowly changes us and produces fruit within us for His glory. Jesus says in John 15 that He is the vine and we are the branches. Now in the natural realm we know that the branches produce fruit not by striving, but by simply being connected to the vine. Similarly when we are walking in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit will bring about the transformation in us, whereby the fruit produced in our lives will be evident. But this requires that we walk in the Spirit, or abide in the vine. This theological term is called as sanctification. Sanctification refers to your growth and it means that you have been set apart. God does not transport us to heaven, the moment we are born again. But He allows us to be in the world and not to be part of the world, so that in the process He can transform us to become more and more like our Lord Jesus Christ. He is our role model and the one we need to emulate. But this requires a process and it is sanctification. So in sanctification, we are being made like Christ. And the good news is that Jesus has given us the power over sin. A Christian, when he becomes born again, receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within. But the pulls of the flesh allow the dirt of the world close in the source of the Holy Spirit within. If he is not drawing from the source, the dirt is what is going to lead him forth and dictate his life. When this happens, there is no transformation in the person and there is no display of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. I believe they are saved, but carnal and immature. The thief on the cross did not have time for sanctification process to happen in life. Yet he was saved. According to James 2:17-19, our behavior should align to the faith within. It is not harsh. Because, the world will know that we belong to Him only through the works that are exhibited through our life. They cannot see the faith within. Moreover, a person, who does not have his works aligned to the faith will not grow. He will remain immature in his belief. There will be no growth and his relationship with the Lord will be as an empty shell and without fruits to show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av4Jesus Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 On 7/23/2018 at 9:44 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a “Christian” for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? He produces this fruit when we walk with Him, are being led by Him, and are conformed to Him. When we give in to the Spirit's will then transform us and allow the fruit to manifest and be fruitful in us. The theological term used to identify this process is called sanctification. A person who has been a "Christian" for years but does not display fruit is a person who has not allowed the Holy Spirit to lead their lives, but rather succumbed to worldly pleasures so that the flesh has taken over them. They are still saved but are not matured in their walk with the Lord and they will be held accountable for that if they continue in their ways. James 2:17-19 King James Version (KJV) "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." It is harsh but it is the truth. It is not good enough to just believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior but we must also team up with the Spirit and allow Him to change us so that we may be used as vessels of honor to glorify God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyRockOfAges Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 Q4. (Galatians 5:22-23) How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? What theological term would you use to identify this process? How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? Are they saved, but just immature? What does James 2:17-19 say about this? Is that too harsh? As we continue to yield to His Spirit, walk in the Spirit, we. Continue to fulfill the desires of His Spirit. We constantly resist the temptations and the Spirit changes us internally. Our mind is renewed, soul is restored and Spirit refreshed and strengthened. It is a process of sanctification in us which is inside out and produces fruit of the Spirit in us evidently seen outside in our character. Continual walk in the Spirit produces fruit that lasts long. Otherwise, walking our own way is a detour with the walk in the Spirit and it is like going back to the old nature and not valuing the price that Jesus paid for us to redeem us from our state. Such walk will not develop the fruit of the Spirit and the character is not changed as sanctification process is not allowed. We must allow Hily Spirit to continually work in us to complete the sanctification process that transforms us. If they do not walk in the Spirit and if the light is not in them who translates us from darkness to light, then they lie and are not in the truth. But instead, if they confess their sins and return back, He is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse from all unrighteousness. Also as in James, faith without works is dead. If we have faith, it is evident in our works. It is the truth, and even if it is harsh for some it is good in the end for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholang Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 *The Holy Spirit gives us love, kindness, long-suffering for perseverance , and self control. *The word is sanctification, meaning cleansing or Making us Holy *They are saved but lack faith, which James says is faith without works is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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