[Q2. Seeing the Father]

I have several questions in this area of the study.  As I said in my introduction, I love to research, so as I read  through this section, the word, "ontological," popped up and I wanted to know the definition.  I read about "ontological Trinitarianism" (no debate--I believe in the Three in One) and it spoke about "economic Trinitarianism," where it indicated that there were many debates on this topic.  I believe fully that Jesus' physical life was a pattern for us to see how to live in our physical bodies, seek, obey, care and be an example to others.  And His prayer life was to show us that we should and need to be connected--life runs so much easier when I am practicing the presence of God.

You mentioned Jesus; "economic subordination" role with the Father and how Jesus was dependent upon the Father.  My questions are:                                                                                 Could this be similar to our relationship with Jesus? Would we be considered "economically subordinate" through Jesus, since we were created in the 'Image and Likeness' of God [Reading Richard Rohr's study about God, as well, as this one.]                                                                                                                                                                                                                         (John 15:15) Jesus said that we were no longer slaves/servants, but friends and in Romans we are 'adopted heirs.' It appears to be somewhat like a family tree?

I hope this doesn't sound crazy.  I'm always trying to figure our easy ways--as Jesus did--for people to understand, when presenting the Trinity and Christ to others.

[Welcome]

On November 28, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Pastor Ralph said:

Hi, I'm Ralph Wilson, director of Joyful Heart Renewal Ministries and the JesusWalk Bible Study Series. I live in Central California where the Sierra Nevada foothills begin to rise. I'm glad you've signed up for this study. It's exciting to meet other people who are involved in this Bible study.

Why don't you share a bit about yourself, and what state and country you are from. Please do NOT include your e-mail address. Be discrete about sharing private things about yourself.

 

6 hours ago, VanessaKristen said:

Hi! I’m Vanessa and I live in Phoenix, AZ. I am 28 years old and have been married to my sweet husband for almost 6 years now! I love singing, painting and people! I also teach students with behavioral difficulties English & Social Studies. I am so excited for this study! Thank you so much for providing this as a free resource—it is so appreciated! 

Good Morning, I'm Catherine from Pittsburgh, PA.  I am a full time teacher at a middle school--my second career.  My husband and I are also pastors of a small church.  I'm feeling pulled to move in another direction of Spiritual Formation at the Pittsburgh Seminary.  "Listening for God's Voice" seems to be a good place to start in this area of study. I love to read God's Word, research, read commentaries, take notes and journal my prayers for insight and direction.  I love Jesus immensely!

[Q1. Strong Opposition in Thessalonica]

People don't like change; especially when change challenges perceived 'societal norms.' When people see others changing their lifestyle drastically, it makes them question their own beliefs. God doesn't want chaos, but I believe that He likes a good duel (His duel with Satan in the book of Job). I don't proclaim to know God's motives, but by reading scripture you can pick up some insights. Possibly, God allows these things to occur for several reasons: continued growth in St. Paul, challenges to non-believers thinking, a call for others to step up, demonstrate His power (really,an earthquake amidst all this?) and because we all know that none of this could occur without the power of the Holy Spirit behind it with counseling, guiding, etc.

Paul said in Galatians that he was crucified with Christ. In Romans he stated, 'we are baptized into Chrst's death and buried with Him through this baptism.' There's so much more Paul said that demonstracted his convictions and committed relationship with Christ. Anyone continually proclaiming such strong visual words, has to have such a profound belief that they can't stop even when a little pressure assails them. I see some of Paul's protection actually coming from the people around him, looking out for his safety.

When I feel pressure from others, I know I am on God's plan. When I see doors open in unusual places, I know God's plan is at work. When I don't try to manipulate situations and something comes out of the blue, i know God wants me to do something. Do I trust all the time? I wish I could answer yes, but feeling discouraged and sorry for yourself is so much easier.