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Q3. (2 Peter 2:19) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person? Is there any way out of these sins? If so, what is the path? How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin? How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?

we need to draw on the strength of Jesus and repent not just
be sorry,we must learn to hate sin and love a righteous way of life

In what way can flagrant defiant sin enslave a person? Is there anyway out of these sins? If so what is the path? How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin?How can we steer clear of a quick judgemental attitude towards those who sin.
We have a sin nature by nature that is defiant towards God. A good example of that would be pharoah in the OT. No matter what God did he got more defiant. That's us! The great news is that there is a way out through the atoning blood of Jesus. That doesn't mean consequences will be erased but it does mean we need no longer be enslaved to sin. I like what J. Vernon Mcgee had to say about these false teachers: "while they promise liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption. Some habit has these false teachers enslaved and yet they are promising libery to others!"
I have to admit it can be hard to separate the two the sinner and the sin but if we truly love the Lord we are going to love the sinner while hating the sin because Jesus loved us while we were yet sinners. I wonder how He stuck it out down here with us for 33 years coming from the glories and goodness of heaven.
We can stay clear of a judgemental attitude by reminding ourselves of the pigsty God found us in.
God is so good. There are a bunch of wild turkies walking around in my back yard. Now I know that has nothing to do with this lesson but I never get over the wonder of His creation.

God Bless!
Jen

Flagrant, defiant sin enslaves a person so that they will continually give in to it even sometimes to death.

Paul asked who shall deliver him and in Romans 7:25 he answers: "I thank GOD through Jesus Christ our Lord." Jesus is the way out of sin that enslaves.

The path to freedom from sin that enslaves is to come to Christ in repentence and to receive Him as Lord and Savior.

It is only through GOD's Holy Spirit that we can truly love the sinner and hate the sin.

Q3. (2 Peter 2:19) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person?

The same way a non-defiant, non-flagrant, not yet convicted of sin enslaves us and keeps us from God's will for our lives by filling our lives with that which is not his will.

Is there any way out of these sins?

If we are faithful and just to repent of our sins he is faithful in keeping what we give him.

If so, what is the path?

A - Admit our sin

B - Believe God died and will forgive us that sin as well as all others

C - Confess his power over all sin in our life


How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin?

Not easy, not easy at all, but when we see our rightousness as filthy rags and realize all sin is that same filth knowing that God loves us anyway and sent his Son to die for our sins then we seek to be like Christ and die to our own prejudice for a particular sin.

How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?

If your as slow and dumb as God has allowed me to be it helps because it means I do not do anything fast and somme time I will have to show from the scriptures all the neet things God gives us to be slow in doing his will.

Q3. (2 Peter 2:19) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person? Is there any way out of these sins? If so, what is the path? How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin? How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?

Sin is from the devil. When he entices us to sin, he is enticing us into slavery to him! There is only one way out of this--we must turn from him to the Lord Jesus and as His forgiveness as well as His armor to protect us from satan! Jesus the way--the only way to God. We must stay close to Him and His cross.
Love the sinner and hate the sin? These, parodoxically, go together. If we truly love the sinner, we will hate the sin that binds him/her! We will long to see them free of the influence of the devil in their lives. We long to know that we will rejoice together in heaven one day, in the presence of our Lord and Savior!
All we have to do to steer clear of judgmental attitude is to remember that we, too, are sinners and deserve eternal death! Nothing in us gives us freedom from that punishment--only Jesus death can and will save us, and that is no different from someone else who has sinned. We are all under condemnation for sins we commit in this life. So how on earth can we be judgmental about another who was caught in the same web? But, we need to be sure that this person sees our love for them--reaching out to give them a push toward the Lord--not judging them!

Pastor Ralph, on Jul 18 2004, 05:58 PM, said:

Q3. (2 Peter 2:19) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person?
If you sin deliberately you give into the flesh and that being the case, you have given in and the sin will take over. Have to be on your guard to avoid temptations.

Is there any way out of these sins? If so, what is the path?
Yes, the path out of your sins is repentance 2 peter 3:9, and belief in Jesus Christ. Roman 7:25-8:11. There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free for the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin He condemned sin in the flesh.

How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin?
Thank you for this question, you have got to teach and preach the truth in love. Loving people and sharing the truth without compromising the truth. We have got to welcome sinners with one arm open as if we say we forgive you and one arm not as if to say but there are limits.
Jesus does this with the prostitute, when he forgives her and says go and sin no more. Because we are forgiven does not give us the right to sin, however, we will have set backs and slips.

How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?
First ask the Holy Spirit to show you if it is a person who is enslaved by self, Satan, or Jesus.
Then, if a persons spirit is from Jesus, separate the flesh from the Spirit, knowing that we all fall short of the glory of God and we are all in need of a Savior. Not one of us is exempt from sinning not even Paul, in Romans 7:17-23; if it is the flesh and sometimes we all walk in the flesh, whether it is gossiping, or a lack of love, or sexual sin, or addiction of any kind . . . no one is immune; we need to present the truth in love and pray for that person to be open to repentance. In Romans 7:23 – But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bring me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members; if Paul can see he has sin after he’s been converted then we must look at ourselves as well.

If a person’s spirit is working from the spirit of Satan rebuke him and give him back to the devil. If a person has no repentance or no question of what right and wrong are according to God; then I would question if he/she has the Holy Spirit working in him/her.

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[color="blue"]3a.) I think the key word here is 'defiant." Open rebellion. I think this would refer to a hardened heart, closed to any correction, "I don't care what you say, I am going to do it anyway!" type of an attitude. We are enslaved to our own needs and desires no matter how wrong they are when we have gotten to this point in our lives.[/color]
3a.) (2 Peter 2:19) Is there any way out of these sins?  If so, what is the path?
[color="blue"]3b.) Some may have enough will power to stop it. But that does not mean they will not have a relapse. For me, the life saving grace through faith in Jesus Christ is what has worked for me. I still am struggling with many sins, but I have conquered many others with the help of the Holy Spirit. For me, receiving that life saving grace and really learning what it means, has made me want to honor God. My secret sins are still the toughest.[/color]
3c.) (2 Peter 2:19) How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin?
[color="blue"]3c.) Looking at everyone through an eternal perspective. All of us are image bearers of God. And God has shown His love for us and he does not want to see anyone perish.[/color]
3d.) (2 Peter 2:19) How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?
[color="blue"]3d.) First, pray for them. Second, don't isolate them. Treating them as outcasts will further harden their hearts and make them more defiant(Sound familiar?). Treat them as you would wish to be treated. Love them as you would love yourself. Tough, isn't it? Yet, Jesus hung on that cross and endured so much pain and suffering, yet he prayed to the Father, forgive them for they know not what they do. [/color]

Q3. (2 Peter 2:19) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person? Is there any way out of these sins? If so, what is the path? How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin? How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?

When flagrant, defiant sin is not confronted, when it is permitted, people can succumb to the trap of no longer recognizing sin as sin. If a person is already mastered by a sin they do not recognize as sin, it's much harder to be freed from slavery to it.

The only way out is by turning to Jesus Christ as master and love of our lives. A person can only serve one master. If Jesus Christ is truly Lord and Master, the sin will no longer be master.

We can love the sinner by recognizing that we too have been sinners though no longer are slaves to sin. By seeing all people as made in the image of God and precious to Him, we love them because He loves them. But just as He hates sin, we hate sin since we see what it does to people in slavery to the sin and want to free them from it.

We can steer clear of a quick jugmental attitude if we realize how patient and long suffering God has been with us. If we just think about how we are so thankful God has not been too quick to judge us, how can we be quick at all to judge others?

(3a) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person?
First let me say that sin is sin, there is no big or little sin. And if a person thinks that they can hold on to worldly ways and still serve God they are sadly mistaken. We must understand that the devil will always attempt to misguide us, and have us thinking that it's alright to have a drink, or it's alright to smoke a cigerette. And before you know it it's now an every day thing. It is written, be ye holy for I am holy.
(3b) Is there any way out of these sins? Jesus is the only answer. [QUOTE][COLOR=red]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36
(3c) If so, what is the path?
Fasting and prayer. I sought the Lord and He heard me and delivered me from all of my fears. Psalm 34:4
(3d) How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin?
Godliness. God loves us, but He hates our sins. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8b
(3e) How can we steer clear of a quick judgemental attitude toward those who sin?
We have to remember where God has brought us from. We have to let the Holy Spirit be in control at all times. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

Q3. (2 Peter 2:19) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person? Is there any way out of these sins? If so, what is the path? How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin? How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?

[color="green"]The word defy itself denotes insubordination. Flagrant and defiant sin is absolute willingness to sin. It happens when we are completely under the control of sin. Its a cause and effect situation. A vicious cycle. Very hard to get out and habit forming in itself. Is there a way out? Of course there is. The Lord provided 'The Way' out. The path is through Jesus, the only way. The cause is insubordination. The way is subordination to Jesus. Is anything too hard for the Lord? Nothing is too difficult for Thee says the Bible. If we allow Jesus to control our lives and let Him be the pilot/driver of our lives, we can rest assured that we will travel in a path of glorifying the Lord Jesus and being sinless as far as possible.[/color]

[color="blue"]Loving the sinner and hating the sin in him is very difficult to adapt as human beings. We punish the guilty and want to see them experience the pain of punishment. It is with an intention of making them suffer that we do those things. Under such circumstances, it is difficult to seperate them. But the Agape love of Jesus in us would love the sinner inspite of the sins and draw the sinner close to us after the punishment. Its the example of a father punishing his child and later drawing him into his bosom and saying he still loves him. That is what we should do. And it can be done only through Agape love. Any other love will not function under those circumstances. All other cases will become judgmental, which is unchristian. In Philippians it is mentioned, let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. Unless we put on Christ in every aspect of our life, we cannot be like Him. Only with Jesus in us can we steer clear of being judgmental of a sinner. Following doggedly His footsteps can prevent us from having a superior holier-than-thou atmosphere. [/color]

A disgraceful sin can enslave a person,because it takes away from the the nature of God with which we were intended to reflect. And it brings us into bondage and disrupts our walk with the Lord.

The way out of these sins is to deal with the matter,IMMEDIATELY,
before it gets a grip on us and enslaves us. This ,of course, is to
come immediately into prayer with God seeking His forgiveness and
strenght to overcome this temptation.

We can love the sinner , yet hate the sin, when we realize that God is not willing that any should perish. Jesus died for all regardless of the depth of their sin nature and we are to love the unlovely for we know that while we were yet His enemies , Christ died for us.

We can steer clear of a judgemental attitude against those who commit sin, by realizing that we too were once lost and now are found. Only God knows the potential of the one who we look down on.

[font="Times"]Sin, like any other habit, good or bad, creates an appetite, and that appetite must be fed by what created it. If we continue to sin, unchecked, unrepentant, we move beyond guilt, to acceptance, then to the point of addiction - we can't stop even if we wanted to.

The way out of enslavement to sin, I believe, must start with conviction by the Holy Spirit; admittance of enslavement and a desire to change; recognition that we can't do it in our own strength; and a process of restoration that must include establishing personal spiritual disciplines and accountability to mature, trustworthy Christians.

We need to recognize that we are all human, we are all 'flesh', and so we are ALL susceptible to sin, even when we become Christians. If we are honest with ourselves and God about our own sinful tendencies, thoughts, desires, struggles, and even deeds done when no-one is looking, then we will be in a better place to demonstrate compassion to other Christians who struggle, while truly hating the sin. We learn to hate the sin because of its destructive impact on our lives and our relationship with the Lord. We continue to love the struggling Christian, refraining (or repenting!) from being judgmental, because we remember that we too are imperfect![/font]

Anything that we allow to master us will rule over us. Smoking, drinking to excess, sexual sins, greed and so forth that we cannot or will not get free of can become our god. The way out is to decide that the behavior needs adjusting, confessing our sin/need to Him and asking for help to regain control of our life. We must put our God first in all our endevours. We ALL sin. We can help others most not by our words, but by our deeds. We have to help and support each other. We must love each other, and encourage each other as we get to the difficult sections of our faithwalk. It is not our job to pass judgement, we are all in the same boat.

Q3. (2 Peter 2:19) In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person? Is there any way out of these sins? If so, what is the path? How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin? How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?

Slavery is a defining characteristic of sin! Either we are slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness (Ro 6:15-23). Righteousness is the way to true freedom, "It is for freedom that Christ set us free" (Gal 5:1). Sin is always a labyrinth--one sin leads to another and soon the "sinner" will be lost and blinded because of the sin that separates him or her from the truth. This truth the sinner is separated from is the very thing that can lead him back toward righteousness. By clinging to any thread of truth, a way can be found to escape from even the deepest sin.

We "can't" love the SINner and hate the sin. If God is in us--the only true source of love--we can't even be near sin. But, in a Christlike way, we can look past the sin and love the person who desperately needs the truth. This is what we will be drawn to! A Christlike Christian is a "truth-giver" and will share truth out of the abundance he or she has been given be God Himself.

We can resist judging others by looking at ourselves truthfully! Apart from God, we are weak, frail and lost in sin. We must cultivate compassionate eyes rather than judging eyes.

In the secular world “pride in sin” is evidenced by those who parade their sins publicly. There is a very important principle underlying the teaching of the apostles as it relates to doctrine and conduct. It may be stated this way: There is an inseparable union between one’s doctrine and one’s conduct. While our doctrine should determine our conduct, it is most often true that sinful conduct is the first step to a perverted theology. Once men have become enslaved to their passions, they will quickly rearrange their doctrine to square with their conduct. This is not the way it should be, but it is the way it often works. The simple fact is: our morality often determines our theology, rather than our theology dictating our morality. This is what happens to a flagrant, defiant, sinful person. This is enslavement.

Well, with Gods help you could practice some disciplines of letting go. I Peter 2:11 warns us “abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul”. Choose disciplines that will help you become more dependent on God. Spend time alone to be with God, learn to live with less money, chastity, avoid self-promotion, give beyond what seems reasonable to remind us of our dependence on Christ. Study, Worship, Pray, Fellowship, Confess, Submit. Discipline and activity are the answers. This sounds like a lot, doesn’t it? Look what God has done for you. Everyones’ path may be different in certain respects but the bottom line is that you have to recognize your sin and deal with it. Christ brings us to these disciplines and activities. If a person is looking for Gods will in their life they will find their way out of these dead end conducts and theologies they make for themselves, just so they can have what they want.

A quick look at myself answers both of these last two questions. God loves me, He has brought me to love myself and have respect for myself because I am His child. He hates my sin but He loves me. I am going to extend that same mercy to others. He commands me to do this and the more I’m in Gods Word and have a personal relationship with the Lord and Master of my life the easier it becomes to love others. If guilt is poisoning someone’s heart, be a channel of Gods grace. Listen. Just having someone who cares enough to really listen will help relieve a hurting heart. Don’t gossip about what you’ve heard. Invite them to church. There is grace in the communion of the saints. Share the Good News and Pray. Someone did these things for me. When my heart was hurting, I turned to God. Then I sought out His people, the friends of Christ. No one turned me away. Remembering this helps me not to be judgemental and to love the person, hate the sin.

Flagrant defiant sin enslaves a person for the sin will grow, multiply, and take over the person
The way out is to stop, and take the path of Jesus
Love the sinner hate the sin, we need to remember that Jesus died for all sinners, we need to be merciful and snatch them away from their sin.
By judging others we judge ourselves, by condeming others we condem ourselves, For it is written "It is mine to avenge; I will repay, says the Lord.

Sin enslaves by a slow hardening - our evil desires leads to evil actions and repeated evil actions births sin. The only way out is to read the word and pray and have others pray with you so you can hear the Holy Spirit convict you and repent. If we don't sensitize ourselves with daily reading and praying we become hardened. As God loved us to give us His only Son, we are to fulfill the second commandment and love others. If we don't love others and help them to forsake their sins and pray for them we are not doing His will. The Holy Spirit helps us to love others beyond our human capabilities. We must keep in mind we too are subject to sinning and be compassionate towards those who are weaker. We will be given in measure what we give so we have to be careful, if we judge, we will be judged. Jesus didn't come to save the righteous, but the sinners and we are all sinners.

Flagrant, defiant sin can enslave a person by holding them enslaved to the sin. There is a way out of these sins. The path is fasting and prayer. We can truly love the sinner and hate the sin because we must love our brothers and sisters and hate the demonics forces that attack them. We can steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin by remebering that we have siined and are prone to sin ourselves.

2 Pe 2:19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.

In what way can flagrant, defiant sin enslave a person?
Practice make perfect. Conscience is thrown out through constant practice and it will no longer be seen as a sin by that person. Let us take lying for example. Perpectual lying will no longer be seen as wrong but merely a mistatement of fact to suit the situation. Thus, it will accumulate and finally enslave that person because the truth may have dire consequences.

Is there any way out of these sins? If so, what is the path?
Definitely yes, The conviction by the Holy Spirit releases us from bondage and change our whole attitude. The first step of course is to acknowledge Jesus Christ as our Lord & Saviour. The next step is to invite the Holy Spirit of God to transform us into the image of Christ.

How can we truly love the sinner and hate the sin? How can we steer clear of a quick judgmental attitude toward those who sin?
This is a tough question. Humanly speaking, we are all vindictive and would more frequently demand that justice be done. We are also very prone to associate the sinner with the sin. To detach ourselves, we really need to be reminded that we too are forgiven sinners redeemed by the blood of Christ. We have committed many similar sins but praise God, were given another chance. With that attitude it may be easier for us to view others in a more positive position.