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(1 Samuel 18:18-22) Which of the following is David's chief motive for marrying Michal, in your opinion? Argue for the motivation that makes the most sense to you: (1) pride in his military prowess, (2) obedience to Saul's desires, (3) love or desire for Michal, or (4) enjoyment in killing Philistines. Defeating Goliath David was promised the kings daughter that had not happened. 1 Samuel 18:12-30 the offer to David of both daughters was pure attempts to manipulated David, in both instances Saul wanted to place David in harms way, by way of the Philistines. Of the four choices given it is difficult to say, one could speculate on each and come up with a probable supporting belief. I just don’t know if any of the choices motivated David to marry Michal. Verse 26 "It pleased him well to become the King's son in law” If David had married the older daughter he would have ahd to come up with a dowry, one that he did not have. With the second daughter, the dowry payment was one that differed. The king does not desire any dowry but one hundred foreskins of the Philistines. It’s as if Saul isn't asking for much, but in actuality he is really asking for something far greater than a lot of money. He asks David to put his life in great jeopardy, and Saul dies this because he wants David dead! I think the motive for David was the hope that by being Saul son-in-law, by him being a humble servant, Saul’s attitude towrds him would change. David did not know Saul’s heart, things did not become better, they grew worse.

(1 Samuel 18:13-16). Why does Saul send David into battle? So that he would be killed. David's popularity stirred up great jealousy within Saul, he was also afraid of David. Removing David from his court to the battlefield accomplished David being out of his sight, secondly it presented the possibility that he could be killed. Saul was gratified by sending David (into the fray), into battle. Sending David into battle resulted in more success and more fame for David. David as some would say had the Midas touch, everything he put his hands to was successful and people were more and more drawn to him. Although David was out of Saul's physical sight, he was not out of his mind. Often we believe are likewise as it relates to problems, that is we sometimes attempt to ignore a problem or situation as well. Some of us place a table cloth over the white elephant, perhaps even place flower for to enhancement, and that may give a perceived favorable appearance. Nonetheless the elephant is still present, and still as significant as it was. Often when we do not turn things over to the Lord. Saul was handling the problem (envy / jealousy / suspicion / being afraid), his problem in his own way, with his own strength. he did not discern that the battle was not against flesh and blood, nor did he turn to the Lord. Goliath wasn't the only giant that Saul faced, there are two other giants according to chapter 18. Saul eyed David, most translations use the word eyed, some translations and paraphrases use "jealous eye." Some interpret that Saul became over suspicion, regardless of the interpretation, Saul did not look upon David in a favorable manner, nor in a godly / spiritual way. The other giant Saul faced was fear, the word afraid is mentioned repeatedly. It wasn't that he was afraid of David, as in David physically harming him. He was afraid believing that David was causing him to shrink. 1 Samuel 18: 12 the latter part reads "because the LORD was with him, and was departed from Saul". The Lord is ever available, always available, however He was not with Saul, (in my opinion because Saul' mind was in a reprobate state, he would not seek the Lord), Saul faced these giants in his own strength. Instead of seeking the Lord, instead of turning the situation / problem over to the Lord, Saul devised plans to handle the situation in ways that would not benefit. I wonder if this experience, it's likeness prompt David to send Uriah to the front of the battle. David made many mistakes (he sinned as king on a number of occasions as well), but the Scriptures also identify that he turned unto the Lord. What is the result? Therefore Saul removed him from him, and made him his captain over a thousand; and he went out and came in before the people. And David behaved himself wisely in all his ways; and the LORD was with him. Wherefore when Saul saw that he behaved himself very wisely, he was afraid of him. But all Israel and Judah loved David, because he went out and came in before them. The result as it relates to Saul, his elaborate plan didn't yeild his intended desire and his downward spiral (spiritually, emotionally and mentally) continued to descend. The result as it relates to Davis, his leadership, decision making and management skills proved to be wise. Each campaign was successful. David had great success in all that he did, he grew in stature more and more, and people became more and more fond of him. Rather than being killed in battle, David proves to be both a powerful warrior and a dynamic leader of men. To what does the narrator attribute David's success? Because the LORD was with him!

How can we avoid the arrogance of pulling God into our battles ("God is on my side"), rather than engaging in His battles ("I am on God's side")? Mark 12:20 As we love Him we honor Him, loving Him means doing His Will because we treasure and value His plans. "Loving Him means expanding all our emotional, spiritual, mental and physical energy for His sake and not our own. Though we still relate to others and have activities in this world, everything is reference to His central role in our lives." Chris Tiegreen Submit to the Lord, Seek counsel of the Lord, Remain in His Will, Isaiah 31:1-3 1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD! 2 Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity. 3 Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together. Isaiah here once again condemns the Judeans for relying on human strength and or influence (Egypt) instead of God. The people of God here think they are wise but instead are foolish. True wisdom rest with God, and He knows best how to overthrow Assyria.

How can we avoid the arrogance of pulling God into our battles ("God is on my side"), rather than engaging in His battles ("I am on God's side")? Mark 12:20 As we love Him we honor Him, loving Him means doing His Will because we treasure and value His plans. "Loving Him means expanding all our emotional, spiritual, mental and physical energy for His sake and not our own. Though we still relate to others and have activities in this world, everything is reference to His central role in our lives." Chris Tiegreen Submit to the Lord, Seek counsel of the Lord, Remain in His Will, Isaiah 31:1-3 1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD! 2 Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity. 3 Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together. Isaiah here once again condemns the Judeans for relying on human strength and or influence (Egypt) instead of God. The people of God here think they are wise but instead are foolish. True wisdom rest with God, and He knows best how to overthrow Assyria.

(1 Samuel 17:47) Why do we so often forget that “the battle is the Lord’s”? Simple answer we attempt to handle situations, circumstances and events in our own strength. Just as King Saul and the other Israelites saw Goliath as an impassable obstacle, we see most mountains or their likenesses as obstacles. The thing that is before us, tangible or intangible, is before us, and most often our first recourse is to respond / act with or within our own strength or with the resources that we have available. Even though David did likewise, prior to his encounter with Goliath he perceived that he was fighting for The Lord. The Scriptures gives the depiction that David is being used by the Lord, that he is the Lord’s instrument, vise David simply seeking to overcome the circumstance. Although Goliath was a physical being, there was something spiritual going on as well. Prior to the battle Goliath spoke of his gods, and cursed God; David speak of the True and Living God would deliver / save. Even though the things may be tangible, nevertheless those that are His, wrestle not against flesh and blood. What does that phrase actually mean? There are more verses than 1 Samuel 17:47 that conveys “the battle is the Lord’s” (2 Chronicles 20:15, Zechariah 4:6, Exodus 14:13-18; Judges 7:2-7), they do not say this in exactness; however they carry the same concept. I believe the phrase simple mean to trust, obey, and surrender to Him. As He guides, He will provide, the deliverance may arrive supernaturally as it did when Hezekiah needed Him against the Assyrian king or as it was when here as David was an instrument being used. It is my belief that the phrase does not mean the Lord desires that we go out to engaging in violent physical actions on His behalf saying that it is for His cause. How can we avoid the arrogance of pulling God into our battles (“God is on my side”), rather than engaging in His battles (“I am on God’s side”)? (Arrogance / haughtiness / arrogance self-importance). Simply by ascribing to His Will, placing His Will first and not our own. By honoring Him in all that we do, as we remain in intimate relationship to Him we will recognized His voice. As we recognize His voice we will act / move accordingly. He may instruct that we do something or He may instruct that we remain still. Motive is extremely important, pure motives unto to Lord is key!

Q2. (1 Samuel 17:34-37) What does David's explanation to Saul of his combat experience say about David's faith? David believed just as the Lord would deliver him out of the paw of the lion, and out of the paw of the bear, that He will deliver him out of the hand Goliath. David's faith was strong, he believed! How lethal is David as a warrior? 1 Samuel 16:18 provides a composite description of David as he was summoned to the kings court. "Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him." This depiction inform us that David was courageous, had some combative experience, he used wisdom and the GREATEST element was that The Lord was with him. These factors allowed David to be effective. Why do you think Saul allows him to go out to battle Goliath? Saul was convinced by David, the exact reason why, I don't believe that we will know on this side of glory. Perhaps it was David's confidence, that he had faith; perhaps it was the manner of which David conveyed his faith' perhaps it was that no one else was willing. Does Saul have faith? Not sure. It had been forty days of testing, taunting the man were dismayed and greatly afraid. He had to make a decision, and so he did. Did he have faith, not quite sure how to answer this question. It could be said that he has faith through Daivd, that he believed the reports that he had received concerning David, and or what he gained from David. The Scriptures does not infer that he had faith to believe that God would deliever him if he took on the giant, he was a warrior / king. His fighting the Giant was not allowed nor ordained by God, it was through David that God would be glorified. If so, what is the source of it? The source of that decision came from being pressed to do so. The Scriptures do not infer that he sought the counsel of the Lord directly or indirectly. Of the choices he had, he chose to go with the most willing medium before him, David. Pure speculation, David could be the source to inspire the people to fight as a whole regardless if he won or lost.

(1 Samuel 17:26-30) Why is David so upset about Goliath's taunt? He comes out to defy Israel, taketh away the reproach from Israel / gets rid of Israel's disgrace. David is upset because the taunts, although they were heard by the people before Goliath, they were taunts towards whom they believed in. David had not only a passion for his people, he also had a strong passion for the True and Living God who Goliath was disrespecting. To the man that kills Goliath, "the king will enrich him with great riches, and will give him his daughter, and make his father's house free in Israel." As David converse with the men he does not mention the potential material gains, he saw Goliath as someone not on the Lord's side, an adversary to the people of God. The men of Israel said, "Surely he has come up to defy Israel," David said, "That he should defy the armies of the living God." When the men of Israel said, "The man who kills him," David said, "The man who kills this Philistine and takes away the reproach from Israel." For forty day (a time of testing the men of Israel coward in shame, they were overwhelmed by the circumstances before them, by what they saw. David saw things differently, Goliath physicality did not change, nonetheless David sought to defend the honor of God and his people, He was believed that as he did so (walked) by faith that the True and Living God would be with him. David saw things from the LORD's perspective, but the men of Israel saw things only from man's perspective. Even in this day taunts can cause a stir in people, sometime they (we) retort emotionally, sometime they move to disprove the taunt with wisdom and determination. There may be taunts allowed or ordained in our lives to prompt / provoke us to walk by faith and not by sight. The thing before us maybe a mountain, a Goliath or even a reoccurring pebble in our shoe. David had a spirit as was Caleb and Joshua, the men here had a spirit as was that of the ten other that went into Canaan with Joshua and Caleb. We on an ongoing bases must decide as we live move and have our being what perspective to have, and to maintain Why is Eliab, David's brother, so upset with David? Eliab made a strong accusation at the end of his question, this statement is unfounded, and said from an emotional stand point, he was angry. The reason he was angry can be many, we can only guess, however with certainly we can agree with the Scriptures that he was angry. Some reasons he could have been angry: He was the first born, David was the youngest, he didn't want David to see him in a different light (that big brother did not step up to the challenge). He could have fear that David would be killed if allowed to take the challenge. his perception of David was like his father had when Samuel came to anoint a son of Jesse. David the youngest, he watched the sheep. He could envy David for his courage, in his anger he did not see the Spiritual connectivity that David desired to defend the honor of God and His people. He had a misconception of David's motives, I know your pride and the insolence of your heart. He could have been angry because he thought David was trying to provoke someone to fight Goliath, "you have come down to see the battle." He could have been angry because the light bulb came on David exposed not only a truth but the truth. god and His people were being dishonored and the people for forty days wallowed in shame. Not only that they were willing to wallow in shame and self-pity. Let me say this a different way, there are moment when a person is down that words can hurt more so than help. A man had four son's die within six months, and several members of his church approached him as Job's friends did. Some approached him saying, "well they are in a better place." He said none of this edified him, but when one member came and just sat with him, that edified him. 1 Samuel 17:11 When Saul and all Israel heard those words of the Philistine, they were dismayed, and greatly afraid. In a like manner when a person is distressed or anxious, for some the last thing they want to hear is someone telling them to be daring. For some people it works, unfortunately for others it births other and or additional emotions, anger, resentment, or the initial emotion intensified. David saw when we are weak the Lord is STRONG! What does this teach us about David's faith? He trust in the Lord What does it teach us about Eliab's character? I truly cannot say, I believe that anything said would not be a composite depiction. Character - The combination of qualities or features that distinguishes one person, group, or thing from another. A distinguishing feature or attribute, as of an individual, group, or category. A description of a person's attributes, traits, or abilities. Yes Eliab was in the moment, he was angry, I would rather say his actions were a facet of his character. Perhaps I could say that sometimes I may react as Eliab does. My hopes are that when these acts are exposed that I follow the Lord's counsel I cannot answer the question subjectively, not enough observation for me.

Q4. (1 Samuel 16:14-23) From Saul’s perspective, why is David summoned to court? David is summoned to minister unto him with soothing music, in essence that which David did was nothing more than a therapeutic band aid. Not that I am against obtaining treatment that is authorized and or acceptable, however the cause of his trouble in my opinion was that he was bound and did not seek rest from the Healer, the Deliverer. Saul’s spirit was not right therefore he dealt with things in his own manner. I am not a medical professional in mental health, nor in any manner, however mentally did he struggle. From God’s perspective, what seem to be the reasons for this service in Saul’s court? I believe David was sent into fray so to speak for farther development, to become more rounded, to mature. As he lean upon the Lord he would grow spiritually, as he observed operations within the courts he would gain knowledge. What things tend to prevent us from learning from God in the midst of the circumstances in which we find ourselves? The same as did Peter, that circumstance that is before us. We want out, we don’t want to go through, we don’t like being in unfavorable situations. Sometimes we place ourselves in unfortunate circumstance and there are times that God orchestrate them. Unfortunate or trying circumstance birth from our own volition derive from poor choices / bad decisions. Those situations orchestrated by God are for our development. From both we can learn, the important factor is that we extract the positive from the experience and when the opportunity presents itself we may be able to edify someone else. What might make us more teachable? Placing His Will before our (mine)! Staying at His feet! (Humility / meekness) I like a quote from D.L. Moody The Scriptures were not given to increase our knowledge but to change our lives. I share this not directing it towards anyone specifically, just as a general statement.

Q3. (1 Samuel 16:13) What is the significance of Samuel anointing David? The significance, the implication, the meaning was great, it signified that David was appoint for use by the Lord. This practice, the pouring of the anointed oil on one's head was a symbolic act officially, designating and setting apart a person for a certain, public, leadership function in the community. This event was normally a one-time event much like an inauguration or ordination, however David did have two other . The three kinds of leaders anointed for their ministries in the Old Testament: priests, Exodus. 28:41; kings, 1 Samuel. 10:1; and prophets, 1 Kings. 19:16. It was significant for we know that from the Scriptures that this kingship has a connective line to Christ and the fulfilling of prophecy. The act was an important symbolic act, there was also a spiritual importance, not only for David, but also for Samuel. Verse 1 of the chapter (16) Samuel was grieved concerning Saul being rejected as king by the Lord. "And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? Although Samuel was frightened, he obeyed the Lord, as he obeyed step by step he saw the Lord's Will in operation. What is the significance of the Holy Spirit coming upon David? The Holy Spirit coming upon him shows God approval, similarly Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Samuel knew that David was God's choice for king, I don' t know he told Jesse, David, or the elders present, the elder's wanted to know if he came peaceably. Perhaps they had heard of the recent encounter with Saul. Although David was selected at this time there was a delay before he took office. In a sense he was going to groomed, he became Saul's armor-bearer. Yes David was a harp-player and a songwriter. Yes he became an anointed, prophetic songwriter. The significance of the coming upon him would empower him in many ways, being able to remain prudent, kind extending grace, love and other things with a man under the influence of an evil spirit, David would need the power of the Holy Spirit. David would learn a lot of what was good as he was under Saul's leadership and he would learn a lot that was not good. Once he became king he would have not only experiences gain from being a shepherd, but also of someone from the administration of the king. would take How does this explain his success? The Holy Spirit's empowerment for the work ahead, though he was not perfect, as he adhered to the Spirits leading David exercised courage, wisdom, leadership, etc.. How is the Holy Spirit upon us vital for our own success as disciples? Very much the same as it did David, He will empower us to accomplish the Will of the Lord. As we adhere to His leading we will be salt, light, messengers and ambassadors that will reflect Him.

Just to clarify: I, in fact, do believe what is written in Hebrew texts about Saul and his relationship with God. I also believe that what is written may or may not be the end of the story. I believe that each person and entire nations view God's relationship with humankind differently. What we are reading now is like hearing a story passed down from our great-great-great (several times over) - grandparents for many generations before the advent of putting plant-derived ink to papyrus. In fact, the original Hebrew language did not even have vowels, and so, there are probably some words that were written and translated without a clear understanding of what they meant. In other words, some words were probably lost in translation. Because of my familiarity with translations of Biblical Hebrew, readings in the Torah and Tanakh, and the rabbinic practice of Midrash, as well as human anthropology and language etymology, I do wonder what I am missing when I read Canon as it was finalized during the Councils at Trent between December of 1545 and December of 1563. That said, I can not draw a conclusion about your belief in the writings based simply on what I perceive your writing to say. That would not be fair, as I could be absolutely correct, sort of correct and incorrect, and/or completely incorrect. As Saul's writings reveal what his heart and mind believed God to be in his experience, I intended for my writing to reveal what my mind and heart (I) have and have not experienced in my journey with God and how it relates to Saul's journey with God, my interest in discovering what more there could be behind what is written, and my willingness to discern the Spirit of the Word in relation to the words as they are translated. EYJackson I too believe that it would be wise to consider the origin, the context and the content when reading the Canon as it was finalized. I am not sure if I offend you are not, that certainly was not my intent, nor was it to insult your intelligence. That which I said concerning you was that I perceived you had a heart similar to David's, a heart after God. That which I said about Saul was not inferred to you. I agree that there are many, many different views about God, His Character, " I believe that each person and entire nations view God's relationship with humankind differently." It is my desire to always adhere to His Holy Word as it has been passed down. Did those at the council get it right, only God knows. They were to have only taken that from what was breathed by God Himself. Does the spoken and the written Word differ, it shouldn't, however there is perspective. My sincerest apology for having offended you in all or any manner. Perhaps as the lesson continues I can learn from you, Scripture does say something about "iron sharpening iron", of course I will run it by Scripture.

"I have a hard time believing in God-Who-rejects" EYJackson, I feel you, and I'd like to say something perhaps one can say out of ignorance. God love the begins He created mankind, and I love that He is not slack in His promise, it is His desire that none should perish. However if one believes what is written in the Bible, one day there will be judgment. Man was not appointed to die twice yet some will. Your heart (mind) as I discern from what I have read is one that is after God's heart just as David's was. David made a lot of mistakes, yet he repented, he was not perfect, nor are we. As we adhere to the Holy Spirit's leading we are being perfected. God rejected Saul as king, Saul rejected him as God, after Samuel departed we do not find passage of Scripture where Saul sought the Lord. We do find that he was under the influence of another spirit, he continued in agreement with this influence. He was tormented and bound, yet we do not find in Scripture where he sought the Lord. I'm sure the Lord's heart bled as he saw Saul continue in a downward spiral. In 1 Samuel 10:9-11God had given him another heart, however he did not maintain this walk, he did his own thing. I cannot say that this is the likeness for everyone, what I can say is that everyone that know about and or know of Him and chooses not to be in intimate relationship with Him, they are rejecting Him. If they reject Him if they seek Him it will be for the bread and the fish more so then to know Him. Christ is ever present and always available however He is not with those that are against Him nor are they with Him. I can't say who will ascend or descend, however there was a different outcome for the sheep's and the goats in the parable, as told in the parable of the sewer, the two sons, the husbandman, the marriage supper etc.. As I read what you have written your mind (heart) does not reflect that which is written about Saul.

Q2. (1 Samuel 16:3-12) How does this story teach us the importance of listening carefully to God's voice? I believe that this part of the Scriptures teaches the importance's of the latter part of Proverbs 3:5 "and lean not unto thine own understanding." We are not to depend solely upon our own learned understanding, learning's and wisdom. It is very true that God blesses mankind with the ability to learn, by the simple virtue that He blessed mankind with this ability He certainly does not want mankind not to apply what he or she has learned. The problem arise when mankind does not utilize these learning's according to His Will, His Counsel and or according to His Character. Solomon was very wise, I do not believe that there is a verse or a word in Scripture where he was told not to exercise his knowledge, skills, ability or wisdom. The Lord was displeased when Solomon did things according to his own will and not that of the Lord's. Not only did Solomon suffer negative consequences as result over time because he exercised this wisdom against the Lords Will, but others did as well. Every being that desires to remain in intimate relationship with God needs to consider when they receive guidance they perceive is from the Lord does it align with His Word and His Character. What is our instinctive way of discerning? Unfortunately just as the lesson suggest, instinctively our cultural upbringing, education, social perception, sight (appearance {how the person look, how they carry themselves}and also the reading of body language) among other natural things influence our way of discerning. We apply what we know to discern a probably resolve. Relating to this passage of Scripture, there is a difference when it comes to Spiritual discernment, we are to be sensitive to the Lord's leading and not follow our own intuitions or natural perception. Had not Samuel listen to the Lord he would have chosen Saul's successor in a similar manner as he did Saul. Saul physically looked the part according to Samuel perception (Samuel didn't rush into the matter, he did put out a fleece so to speak), as did David's older brother Eliab, and he was the firstborn, that gave Samuel validation. But God said no. How is God teaching us to discern? Everything that glitters is not always gold, everything that may fit the depiction according to our perception may not be according to His Will. Not that we cannot make a decision, however with every decision we should seek His counsel, does it line up with His Will, His Counsel, His Character. This concept is not just applicable with churchly matters, but in everyday life, everyday decisions. Do the things I seek after and or chose edify others to include my being in a godly manner or do they edify in a worldly manner. Discern the decision and also the potential result, does it glorify God, or is it an attempt to glorify man / myself. If I were to excel as a golf player surpassing Jack William Nicklaus and or Tiger Woods, would I acknowledge God and live a life style that reflect Him, his character. If the answer is no, then the things I discern are not in a godly manner. God is teaching us here in this passage of Scripture, as we adhere to His guidance continue listening to Him. Just as the lesson suggest, the majority of the time God leads us one step at a time, by doing so we remain instep. The lesson also says that God can give us the whole picture when He provides guidance, and on occasions He has. However those time are perhaps more of the exception(s) than the norm. The good Dr. also said, "Wouldn't it be nice if God would say everything ahead of time, complete with names, times, and places?" It would be nice in our eyes however if so we wouldn't need to discern, we would simply do. To Samuel Eliab just as Saul did, presented the ideal visual image as a king however God saw beyond the outward appearance. Yes God allowed Saul to be king, He did not make a mistake, He does not make mistakes. No he was not teaching Samuel a lesson here with the selection process, nor was His allowing Saul to be king a lesson for the people. God ordained / commanded Samuel to appoint a man a king according to the people's request. He was not forced or influenced through coercion to do this (God cannot be forced to do anything, He's Almighty). He said that He would give them a king that would be a captain over the people of Israel to save them from the hand of the Philistine (1 Sam. 10:16). How do we learn to listen to the Spirit? By being in intimate relationship with Him, communicating (praying / talking) with Him, by studying His Word so that we can align what we hear with His counsel. As He lead, He will feed, as we ingest we should become more familiar with His Character, so that if He speaks through a dream, a vision, nature, Perceptions or a messenger we may discern if it is Him or of another influence.

Q1. (1 Samuel 15:22-23). What is rebellion? Burger King promoted it "Have it Your Way"; Frank Sinatra sang about it "My Way", on many occasion we ascribe to it our way, God despises "our way". Rebellion, nonconformity = usurp, insubordination = noncompliance, mutiny = against, rebellion, doing what we decide to do rather than what God tells us. Doing it our way. Isaiah 1:11-20 In what way is rebellion as bad as witchcraft or occult practices? Witchcraft, occult practices are sin, just as rebellion is. God placing them in the likeness conveys just how much He hates rebellion. We as humans, in our own wisdom categorize sins, for example we may have a view similar to the Pharisee from Luke 18:11, I don't do this and I don't do that however we may have unforgiveness within us. This unforgiveness prevents us from being whole, and leads to bondage. God sees the expansiveness of sin, rebellion is just as bad a witchcraft, for it is expansive, it leads to other things, it is blatant rejection to His command(s). What does rebellion have to do with arrogance? Another word for arrogance is haughtiness, this word is often associated with wickedness. Regardless of which translation or paraphrase used haughtiness is not view positively. Both words akin to pride, the word pride in itself isn't bad, (the Lord was pleased, the Lord delighted = pride); however most often this word pride, like arrogance and haughtiness is associated with a negative connotation. When view referring to an individual these word more than often allude to a strong view of Self. All conscious or open rebellion / disobedience as it relates to God is idolatry, worshipping of Self and or self-will. Placing one's self will over God's Will is idolatry, just as much as if worshipping someone else or a item that represents something. Rebellion as it relates to God is placing one's own agenda before His, rejecting His counsel, thereby reflecting arrogance. What can we do when we find rebellion against God in our hearts? Through rebellion Saul rejected disregarded the word of the Lord; treated it with disrespect, since we are not God we can only form conjecture. Saul desired the praise of man, the adoration from man more than he desired to be obedient to God. At that moment He didn't want to be intermediate he wanted the praise. Saul lost sight of whose he was, and who was. In an effort to get the work of the Lord done, we often lose contact with the Lord of the work. A. W. Tozer When we realize that we have been rebellious in our thoughts, our action or any manner we should repent unto Him. Note: Saul like many of us, may view the surface, I go to church, I pray, I sing, I give to others as offerings / sacrifices that are pleasing to God. We could go to church a million times, pray and sing, however it is nothing more than religious observance if there is rebellion in our hearts. God says to forgive and we're holding something in our heart or our motive is not pure as we conduct these devotions. In either case and others alike the sacrifice is empty and mean little if the heart (mind) is not surrendered God, a measure is shown by simple obedience. What happens if we do nothing? Just as with any other disease, if it goes untreated instead of going away, the disease becomes worse. As relating to God, being in relationship with Him, if we do not repent, turn away from deliberate / conscious rebellion in essence we then are against Him. It is not for me to say when the hand of mercy will be turn away from an individual, nor when He will no longer extend grace. I will simply say that His grace is not to be frustrated not is it given in vain. If we do not repent we sever the intimacy of having a relationship with God. "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy" (Prov. 28:13), Isaiah 55:7, It is of my opinion that if we do nothing we cannot have a prosperous relationship with the Lord. Note: Saul upon learning of his sin acknowledged that he had sinned and in some people's eyes he was repenting. Though his confession may have been a genuine confession, he never takes responsibility for his actions. He said that he "feared the people and obeyed their voice" their command, in essence he said made him do what he did, he blames the people for his actions. He was the leader, he was in charge, therefore all was his responsibility. During this time period people went through the man of God to seek counsel and or forgiveness, however they also had the option to turn unto the Lord. Saul sought forgiveness from the Lord through Samuel, however he never addressed the issue that was brought to surface in him, "rebellion." He blamed the people not the his mind for rebellion and stubbornness against God. A view of Saul's repentant plea, verses 24-25 he acknowledges that he sinned, verse 30 reveals what's in his heart (mind). Then he said, I have sinned: yet honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD thy God. KJV Then Saul pleaded again, "I know I have sinned. But please, at least honor me before the elders of my people and before Israel by coming back with me so that I may worship the LORD your God." NLT Saul was concerned with what the people would think rather than what God thoughts. Chapter 15 reveals God's view on partial obedience and an unrepentant heart. The Spirit of God and Saul's spirit did not agree after he did not repent.

Who comprises "the Israel of God" today? All whom have faith in Jesus; all that that we might be justified by the faith of Christ Jesus, and not by the works of the law; all that now live by / through faith of faith of the Son of God, who loved them, and gave us Himself for those the believes in Him. (Romans 2:28,29). Who is excluded from this group? Those that do not put on Christ, those to do not have faith in the work of Christ. How is Romans 11:17-25 designed to temper Gentile pride? Wrongful pride is something that God hates, if one should boast about their being of Christ and disdain others they have fell into the trap of supposing that they deserved to be saved. Someone who hold this thought has allowed the spirit of haughtiness to overshadow the Fruit of Spirit, whereby their vision is obscured and they disdainfully ignore the truth that no one could ever be saved except upon the basis of God's unmerited love and favor. Just as there is a grafting, their also is a pruning, upon judgment some will be surprised and they will say as was said in Matthew 7:21-29, however the Lord will say, ” I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." It is His Will that we walk according to the Spirit and not the flesh, wrongful pride is a product from the works of flesh.

What characterizes this "new creation" that Paul talks about? Born anew, faith in Christ, living according to that faith, adherence to the Spirit and not following our own spirits nor the influences of Satan's spirit. United by and through faith vise heritage, social status, or wealth. Identified with Him of faith in God not by conformity to certain rites and customs but of, by and through faith of Christ righteousness. What does the "old creation" look like in contrast? Misguided beliefs that lead to hostilities, prejudices, lack of peace, love and joy. What does the old creation lack that the new creation possesses? The Fruit of the Spirit, the relationship that God desires, the renewed mind required to walk in the faith of and in Christ Jesus. How does Jesus' saying, "You must be born again" (John 3:3-8) relate to this concept of the new creation? Being born anew, not a natural birthing repeated, however a birth based upon belief. God is a Spirit, God is spiritual and holy; and that which is born of the Spirit resembles the Spirit; for as he is who begat, so is he who is begotten of Him.

Why do we tend to become weary living out our faith? Some Christians in this good fight of faith resemble George Foreman in his fight with Ali. He fought offensively with GREAT intensity, but unfortunately he over exerted himself, whereby when it was time to defend himself he couldn't. Some become frustrated when they do not see good as they interpret good occurring, when they don't see positive from their efforts. Some desire to plant the seed of faith, water the seed of faith and also get the increase. Some become frustrated when they observe others living none-Christian lives getting what they perceive wonderful in life (somewhat as seen in Psalms 73 and 94), and as they experience what they see as misfortune even though they are faithful, some say what's the point in holding on. Some as they do not see their prayers being answered in the manner they prayed they lose sight to weariness. Doctrines not aligning with the Word or character of God undermine and destroy faith, causing weariness or worse defection. Lastly, we tend to get weary because were yet struggle to do as we desire to do, because yielding to the Spirit doesn't permit me to do as I want to do when I want to do it. What promise does Paul give us in 6:9 to forestall this weariness? In due season, in God's time the Christian that faints not will receive the harvest that's God's provide. The fruit of faithfulness shall yield appropriate fruits be they on this side of heaven and or on the other side of heaven. Why should our "doing good" begin with our spiritual family, not with the non-Christians? Doing so can strengthen, encourage, edify and build up. Doing so can draw the family closer and also ignite / excite / encourage members to do likewise. Additionally it can encourage the members to do good to all people, those outside our spiritual family and as the Spirit draws they to can become a part of the spiritual family.

What does it mean to "sow to the flesh"? Ignoring the Holy Spirit's leading, not renewing our minds according to the Holy Spirit; acting on thoughts of corruption, Doing things that pleases our sinful desire. Makes provision for the indulgence of carnal appetites and passions. What does this look like? It looks bad! It looks like focusing on ones self vise loving the Lord and others. Carnal thinking, focusing on the things that pleases only ones self. The flesh is devoted to selfishness. In Sowing, the person is basically making diligent efforts to accomplish those thoughts / desires according to their own accord, their own way of thinking. David saw Bathsheba and desired her, he was sowing to his flesh. All leading up to the destructive act, and the commencement of the act was corruptible. All that he reap from the act was destructive, greater than the corruptive thought and the act. In the thought process David was not thinking about Bathsheba's welfare, nor was he thinking about God's Will for / in his life. His focus was intently on exploring his sexual passion towards Bathsheba. Sowing into the flesh ultimately leads to producing the works of the flesh, (anger can lead to hating can lead murder). The final harvest for those who live a carnal, sensual life is destructive, and can be of their destruction, death spiritually or physically. What synonyms does Paul use for "sow to the Spirit" in Galatians? (Hint: see 5:16, 18, 25). Walking, living, being lead by the Spirit What does sowing to the Spirit look like in a congregation? The look is beautiful, the people are under the guidance and influences of the Holy Spirit devotion is shown unto God, good works that convey love of others are prevalent. Mercy and grace exist horizontally and vertically. Peace is resides in the atmosphere, sanctification occurs as people are growing in Christ vise dissipating Spiritually and viewing grace as a vantage point.. What are the results in a congregation of sowing to the flesh? Albescence of the Fruit of the Spirit and it's benefits; no desire to crucify / mortify the flesh; surrender to the influence of Satan (becoming Satan's servant / slave); becoming Satan's toxic mule; disunity, backbiting, rudeness , etc..; destruction /death (Spiritually and possibly physically.)

What does Paul mean, "caught in a sin"? Overtaken in a fault, give in to temptation which leads sin. What would restoration of a such brother or sister look like in his or her life? Do not really understand what is being asked here, "look like". However I believe if the person whom sinned receives the person being led by the Holy Spirit, they will see that are loved and cared for. That God has not forsakened them nor has people He has entrusted with His Spirit. A person who has been restored as they walk in freedom they can pictured healthy, healed, and free. As they live, move and have their being in Christ they can be seen as a powerful witness. Through their lives they can witness to others with compassion, gentleness, humility, courtesy, consideration, meekness and love. They can be seen as imitating Christ Jesus! Who should restore this person? Someone who is not walking according to their flesh, someone that is not carnal minded. Someone that is Spiritual, not spiritual, not someone with Pharisee or Sadducee like righteousness, mentality, spirit and application to wisdom. Those who should restore this person are those who are living and walking in the Spirit, led by the Spirit and conforming their lives to the Spirit's influence. In what spirit should it be done? "restore such an one in the spirit of meekness", kindness, gentleness, forgiving, loving, compassion and humility. What is the result of trying to restore a person without humility? The potential restoree may move farther away from walking in the Spirit, instead of seeing restorative ministry they feel judgment, condemnation, guilt etc... The potential restorer maybe become caught in sin. The sin may not be the same sin that entrapped, that overtook the other person. It could be pride, self righteousness or the commencement of gossip, etc....

What does it mean to "crucify the flesh with its passions and desires"? To no longer intentionally commit the sinful acts, (Matthew 16:24), Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. To die to ourselves and now live for / through Christ, to follow His Will, live by His desire and not follow our own selfish will / desire. We're to no longer "gratify" those passions and desires, or "make provision" for them (Rom. 13:14), but rather "mortify" them and "reckon" ourselves to be "dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom. 6:11). A child of God crucifies their sinful natures by no longer succumbing to their desires and passions above the Will of God. Can a person be a Christian without "crucifying the flesh"? Can one say that Peter was not a Christian? It is not, in my opinion, for any human being to say that a person is not Christian. In regards to a person who has declared themselves a Christian without crucifying the flesh I will say that they are not as faithful as they should be, when they should be. Also that they at moments adhere to their own will / spirit / desires more so than that of the Spirit. Peter had some lapses but I would not say that he was not a follower of Christ. In this very book he and Barnabas had a carnal moment, Paul has as well not always crucified his flesh. A Christian does not have to sin, they (we / I) chose to do so, therefore each moment I live, move and have my being I choose whom I will serve. For is we say we sin not we are a liar. We are not to willfully practice sinning (1st John 1:8). If we sin we should do and Peter and others did confess and repent of them. I believe that a person who has declared themselves to be a Christian, someone that has united with Christ should crucify their flesh. I do not believe that a person who habitually sins are placing God's Will first. The age old debate "Perseverance of the Saints vs. Conditional Perseverance" come in to play. Most are selective when that use either, most of the time when the Law (as some would term legalism) or obedience comes up. Not crucifying the flesh leads to sinning, how do we know we are sinning. There has to be some measure of standard, the Law. There was one Reformer's thoughts that still has a strong influence, basically if a person sins they questioned did the person really believe, did they really accept Christ, where they ever justified? That question, those questions are derived from man and I don't if they have any validity or not. However I do know that there is One that knows all, He knows. I am as well thankful that in the demonstration to Peter about forgiveness until seventy times seven equates to countless (Matthew 18:22). If this is what God says man is capable of how much more is He. You all of the forum may stone me with spiritual stones after this statement. The crucifying of the flesh is a part of Spiritual warfare, however it is not so much a supernatural phenomenon. Each reference mortify, crucify (put to death the flesh) we have a role, a function, we as Christians must take actions. No we cannot do it by shear will power, however the Spirit does not make us do anything. As we renew our minds, as we conform to the Spirit's Will, as we continue in belief, will follow His Will. Our spirits will align with His and we will not long to do as we did. When the desire or temptation to do so arise, we in our renewed state of mind will take the way of escape vise indulging according to our sinful nature. I don't desire a license to sin, I'm just thankful that I had mercy when I did not crucify my flesh outwardly and also inwardly. How have we produced such a crop of lukewarm Christians? Just as the Religious leaders of Jesus day most knew the letter of the Law but they did not grasp the Spirit of the Law, or better the genuine intent of the Law as God intended. Mankind whom have been conflicted in their understanding have spread misunderstanding, and even debated over these misunderstanding. Those within the hearing held onto what they deemed was good and did not verify it with the Scripture. So many denominations just as the Religious leaders of Jesus day along with the Scripture added doctrine. Doctrine in itself is not bad, however when it does not align with the Scriptures, and when it is misapplied the doctrine is not good in the sense as being of God. As people walk in this doctrine they are not walking according to the Scriptures, whereby they become lukewarm. Perseverance of the Saints vs. Conditional Perseverance Perseverance of the Saints is the idea that once a person is saved, they are always saved. Because God has elected them and they had no choice in the matter, no one has any choice in the matter of becoming “unsaved.” Proponents cite that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit upon salvation and that nothing can separate us from the love of God. Conditional Perseverance believes that salvation is dependent upon faith. If a person stops believing in Jesus to take away their sins, they are no longer saved. Those who believe in once saved always saved will say that a person would not stop believing in Jesus once they are saved and the situation is merely hypothetical. Believers in conditional perseverance cite that ongoing belief is required in the Bible. Even John 3:16 says “anyone who believes” not believed at one time, but is in the act of believing. Numerous epistles in the New Testament also exhort people to overcome and promise eternal life to those who do so. If overcoming was guaranteed upon salvation, the exhortation would be foolish. Living as I want to live because I believed can lead to people being lukewarmed Christians.

How does the Holy Spirit produce this fruit in our lives? The Holy Spirit, God does not force, He leads, guides and encourages as we yield to Him. We are to become slaves / servants of righteousness (Romans 6:18 {1-23), just as a Christian made the choice to believe in the faith of Christ, the choice to believe in the great work He did on the cross. We also have the choice to adhere to the Spirits leading. Daily as we live, adherence to the Spirit that the Believer received at the point of being justified, they are to take delivery as they live, move and have their being as a humble penitent Believer. As we adhere to Lord and deny ourselves there will be a transformation. He the Lord produces the fruit of His Spirit in our lives as we walk in His Spirit, as we keep in step with Him, as we put on Christ. What theological term would you use to identify this process? Sanctification How can it be that a person who has been a "Christian" for years displays few or none of these fruits? I do not believe in the term Carnal Christian, however I do believe that Christians can be carnal. In the books of Corinthians Paul never say that these people were not Christians, the books does not track there every move on every day, but it does do is inform us of their behaviors, actions, and thought processes which need to change. My hopes are that they and many as would as will we allow the Spirit to lead us whereby our behaviors, actions and thought process will reflect that of the Spirit. Sanctification is a process, none of us have been glorified yet, there is yet a change to occur. However our fruits as we live by the Spirit should more so manifest fruit like the Spirit. If these fruits are not manifesting the surrender to Christ has not been complete. Our flesh still has a strong hold if these fruits are not manifesting. If a Christian desires the fruit of the Spirit to grow within, to manifest they must join their life to Christ, continue in the knowing of Him, remembering Him, and imitating Him. Are they saved, but just immature? It is not for me to say who is saved nor who isn't, who will ascend or who will not, however what I can say is that a person who has declared themselves to be a Christian and they do not manifest the Fruit of the Spirit that they are retarding their growth in Christ. We all have a choice, God does not force His Will upon us. We choose to follow the Spirits guidance, His influence on us or we chose to follow our own influenced by Satan. John 15:4-5 says that if we abide we shall produce fruits in Christ's likeness. but without abiding not so. What does James 2:17-19 say about this? As we have faith in Him our lives will (should) demonstrate the faith! Is that too harsh? No, it is the Gospel

The fruit of patience should be understood as forbearance, that is, putting up with people around us without exploding. Why is this patient forbearance such an important personal character element? What I gain from the context is that these folks were not getting alone as they should, this patience, this forbearance is greatly important mainly because displaying it a Believer will display a character element in the likeness of Christ. It was so important for the Galatians as it is for us (forbearance = mercy, leniency, restraint, patience, self control) long suffering as, we a Christian adheres to it they are less likely to fly off the handle. The Christian will be slow to anger, ready to forgive upon being assaulted or injured, not allow offenses easily offend. The greatest example I can think of, kinda taking it out of context, however still a very good example. When Christ was upon the cross, so many verbal assaults were cast towards Him. he said Father forgive them for they no not what they do. Jesus also said in Matthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Offense will come however as the Christian adheres to the Spirit vise theirs alone, they will allows this character element to mature within. Whereby they can forbear / restrain themselves and not put Self a.k.a. the flesh first. Rashness and incontinence are adversary to patience, long suffering, extending mercy; how a Christian we respond or react to the opposition can be impactful. If the Galatians were to display longsuffering in addition to the other character elements it would allow them to get alone better. Why is it so important for peace in the family and in the Christian community? Mainly for the same reasons that it would for the Galatians, displaying long suffering would be reflective of God, He extend new mercies daily. Our doing so would facilitate our getting along, being able to forgive vice holding onto offenses. As we forgive, if we do so it also teaches us to love whereby we become loving. Peace in the family and in the Christian community can promote unification. It allows love of others (an interest for others welfare) more so than harboring a greater love for Self (selfishness). It is important whereby the community, the family can be strengthened and grow. It is important to the Christian for it is a continual process to establish and secure strong vertical and horizontal relationship. (love God, love people)

The first three qualities have to do, primarily, with a Believer's relationship with God through Jesus Christ: "love, joy, peace". The love mentioned here is not in the likeness of erotic, being the first characteristic of the Holy Spirit it is not one that is fleeting nor stimulated by sensual emotions. The love mentioned here is reflective of agape, the kind of love that can have its ultimate source only in God. It describes the kind of love that gives itself over sacrificially to love another as one loves one's own self. We love God because He first loved us, He loves people, we should love people. The joy and the peace are possible because of this love. The joy and peace mentioned here is not rooted from the world. This joy stems not upon our outwards circumstances, this joy stems from having confidence in our Blessed Hope (1st John 1:3-4), being in fellowship with Christ. Chaos can be amidst yet we can have the peace mentioned here because this peace also is not dependent upon outward circumstances. This peace just as the joy here stems from the relationship with Christ; "Therefore, having been justified by faith," Paul writes, "we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:1). To those in fellowship with Jesus He gives this peace (John 14:27). This will, undoubtedly, have an impact our peaceful relationships with others; but it begins with peace with God. Without the love mentioned here joy and peace would not have substance.

Why do some Christians resist accepting Paul's warning in 5:21 and 1st Corinthians 6:9-11? Those that resist, that do not adhere to these warning are not adhering to the leading of the Holy Spirit. They follow the leading of their flesh and their emotions. Some of these sins are entanglements whereby after the individual moved from being tempted to sinning they became addicted. Those who commit these sins, those who disdained the guidance that Paul gave intentionally or unintentionally followed their feelings / emotions alone, they did not follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. What statement might these Christians desire to substitute for Paul's warning if they could reword the Scripture? Don't intentionally envy, murders, get drunk, revel, and such like, that they which do such things intentionally may not inherit the kingdom of God. I really don't know how to answer this question, for when I have fallen, I wasn't thinking about God's grace, I was thinking about the act that I was desiring to commit, I place Self first. Afterward when guilt set in I in time repented. In a sense I imitated Adam and Eve, attempting to do the impossible, hide from God. I thank God for His grace, and His mercy, it is never my intention to take neither for granted. As I came to myself I told Him that I was thankful for His grace, for giving me an opportunity be back in relationship, fellowship with Him. I thanked Him for His forgiveness and His mercy. I really don't know how to answer this question, if they desired to substitute the warning if they were to reword the Scripture. I suppose if they were not striving to be in genuine fellowship with the Lord, if they desired to continue to follow their own feeling, They may a statement, "We're only human, we make mistakes, we're trying."

If you were to divide the works of the flesh into several groups, what would those groups be? Sins of not loving God with heart mind and soul Sins of not loving yourself Sins of not loving your neighbor Idolatry and sorcery are counterfeits of love to God. Drunkenness and revelries are sad attempts to fill the void only love can fill. Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, and lewdness are counterfeits of love among people. Hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, and murders are all opposites of love.

We are told that it's impossible for a Christian to live a sinless life. What do these verses teach about that? Sin is alluring, our own will (spirit)is strong however we as Christians do not have to succumb to sin, to sinful practices. IF we you walk in the Spirit, align our wills with God's Will THEN the impulses of the flesh won't find fulfillment and thus they lose their power. James 4:7 says it this way "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Many when quoting this verse leave the first part off, as we remain in the decision to unite with Christ, as we remain under the authority (adherence) to His Spirit the influence that differs from His will leave. We as Christians as we walk (live) are to do this, as we continue to adhere to the Spirit we can be strengthened. In what way does yielding to the Spirit suppress the power of the old nature (the flesh)? If we adhere to His guidance we are not under the control of our own, nor is the influence of adversary as tempting. If Spirit-led living is possible, why do people claim that it's impossible not to sin? We have been exposed to sin, for the most part sin is viewed as enjoyable or in agreement with our will. Throughout every day on any given day through our activities we are tempted, many given into those temptations, the response that I have heard my entire life is that we are not perfect. Our not being perfect is a true statement, however we as Christians are maturing in Christ. Because we are maturing in Him, because we are united in Him we can engage in conversation (pray) with Him. As we talk we must admit that the impending sin is alluring to us, that we need His power, and thank Him for answering the prayer. Thank Him for providing a way from the temptation. In prayer we are not the only one talking, be it the prayer silent or aloud, as we listen to Him, he provides the way out, or away from the impending temptation. It goes back to if we adhere, yield to the Holy Spirit's leading.