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Q3. (2 Samuel 5:17-25) Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time? What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines, and didn’t inquire of the Lord the second time? Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently, rather than wait on God as a way of life? What does that say about God? What does that say about us?

David follows God way by praying for his guidance to all things which has God behind him and will always win. We are so me centered we always struggle with giving all of our power to God.

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Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time?

1. David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the first time because he wanted to make sure that the Lord would be with him to hand the Philistines over to him.

What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines, and didn’t inquire of the Lord the second time?

2. If he would have attacked the Philistines the same way he did the first time he might have lost the fight. The Philistines would have been prepared for him. Not consulting God would have been a mistake. .

Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently, rather than wait on God as a way of life?

3. Sometimes when we think we have figure things out on our own and don't need God, we make the wrong decisions.

What does that say about God? What does that say about us?

4. We lack patience. God is forgiving.

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Q3. (2 Samuel 5:17-25) Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time?

David's inquiry of the Lord before he attacked the Philistines the first time because as the servant of the Lord and wanting to obey God's directing he wanted to know that when he moves against the Philistine that it was God's will.

What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines, and didn’t inquire of the Lord the second time?

Having the desire to be in God's will, he sought to know how God will deliver the Philistine into his hands. How specifically would his army attack and be successful.

Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently, rather than wait on God as a way of life?

We often want to figure out the process and act independently because we are impatient, sometimes, and also because sometime we think that it cannot be done another way; this must be it.

What does that say about God?

When we act independent of God it says that we do not see God as Sovereign, over all.

What does that say about us?

When we act independent of God it says that we are allowing the flesh, carnal mind, to rule when in fact it should be dying. Our will should be God's will, therefore before we embark upon any venture we must always seek God's will.

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Q3. (2 Samuel 5:17-25)

Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time?

What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines,

and didn’t inquire of the Lord the second time?

Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently,

rather than wait on God as a way of life?

What does that say about God?

What does that say about us?

a. To be sure that God was with him in this battle. David wanted to do God's

will, to be guided by the Lord and to know what his place would be in

the battle to come.

b. It would be like David wanting to kill Nabal, doing before asking God how

to handle the problem. In this battle David may very well have lost without

asking God first.

c. We are human, most raised to be self reliant. If we are not lucky enough

to be raised in a Christian home, we learn to trust and obey God through

teaching and reading the Bible. Then we learn to turn to God and turn our

problems over to Him. This way we do not fail in dealing with lilfe.

d. God is fair and just. We may not get what we want, but we do get what

God wants us to have. He wants to be involved in our lives, protect us and

care /love us.

e. We all need God in our lives. We need to turn all over to God and ask

for him to be in our lives and help us every day.

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Q3. (2 Samuel 5:17-25) Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time? What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines, and didn’t inquire of the Lord the second time? Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently, rather than wait on God as a way of life? What does that say about God? What does that say about us

Everything happens for a reason. It is all in God's plan. Waiting, praying and watching what God will do for us is a good plan of action for life. We might think some things are small and don't need to use restraint in moving forward, but God.

David again showed restraint and asked God. I am lucky to hear this message today.

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3a)David seeks God’s wisdom &direction for every major decision.

B) If David had been presumptious, he may have attacked wrong time/place,e.g in front of Balsam trees.&to wait for sign to attack,working with God’s plan achieves best result.

c)We humanly think we know the situation we are in&pride flesh tells us world has given us experience, training etc to make decisions, rather than waiting on God.

d)That says we don’t need or trust God. e)We need God in all our activities. God has infinite wisdom.Acting without seeking God first,suggests also we are impatient.

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David inquires both times because he wants to do every thing according to God's will, he doesn't put his athority or ability above God's will.

 

If he hadn't asked God he would have been no better than Saul which displeased God.

 

I think sometimes we move thinking what we are doing is the answer from God.  It is harder for us to determine the will of God because we don't have a Urim or Thummim to give us direct answers we have to depend on what we have learned about God's will.

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(2 Samuel 5:17-25) Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time? What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines, and didn't inquire of the Lord the second time? Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently, rather than wait on God as a way of life? What does that say about God? What does that say about us?

 

David has learned the invaluable lesson of seeking God's direction continually, probably as he reflected on his successes and failures in his endeavors.  It is hard to be patient and wait for God's direction.  He has shown Himself to be faithful to David if he diligently seeks God and God will do the same for us.  Each of us must learn patience in different ways and if we have open communication and hearts toward Him, we will grow in this area.

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Q3. (2 Samuel 5:17-25) Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time? What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines, and didn’t inquire of the Lord the second time? Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently, rather than wait on God as a way of life? What does that say about God? What does that say about us?

 David inquired of the Lord before the first attack because he wants to know that this is the Lord's will and if it is he will no doubt have success. The Lord suggests  a surprise attack.

 again, before the Second Battle David inquired of the Lord and the Lord presents to  him, again the Lord gives him advice and the battle is David's.

there is, it seems, a great need and people for Independence. Whether it be Independence of parents or of God it does not seem to make much difference. David however is mature enough not to need to be independent from his Lord and God. This Independence was probably introduced into the human race the time off the fruit from the tree, Satan and his temptation of Eve and Adam. A further   independence developed into the Western world by the introduction of the Age of Enlightenment.

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1.Why did David inquire  of the Lird before attacing the Phillistines? He knew that his help comes from the Lord.

2.What would have happened  if he didn't  inquire of the Lord? Should he  had attacked without inquire the Lord he would had put himself in danger of being  defeated

3.Why do we often want to figure the process so we act independently? Acting in our own understanding  that we are able forgetting  we cannot  independent of God and we need His guidance  at all  times. 

4.What does that say about God? He is not a man that He should lie , whatever  He promised He fulfils. 

5.What does it says about us.

We are not God , therefore we don't  have all the answers  and solutions , and we need God all times

 

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David seems to ask God instead of thinking for himself. Should he attack
the Philistines, would it be right since they did help  him  hide from Saul

He would have been defected

We think we can do it all, instead of asking God for help

God wants us to depend on Him in everything


Follow and trust in God


 

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Q3. (2 Samuel 5:17-25)

Why does David inquire of the Lord before he attacks the Philistines the first time?

What would have happened if he thought he knew how to attack the Philistines, and didn't inquire of the Lord the second time?

Why do we often want to figure out the process so we can act independently, rather than wait on God as a way of life?

What does that say about God?

What does that say about us?

The Lord had watched over David and his motley group of men that had joined him, in the years that he lived as a fugitive.  

He eventually had gone to the Philistine king for refuge and had then settled at Ziglag.  Then when Saul died , David moved all his followers back into Judah and made Hebron his capital.    Later when he was made king over all Israel, David conquered Jerusalem, which did not belong to a specific tribe of Israel, and made that his capital.   Previously, he had been indebted to the Philistines, because they helped him when he was in need.  They now realized with his power having increased somewhat, he was no longer going to just bow to their whims, but he was now posing a threat to them politically.   They went down with combined forces of all their different armies to check it all out.  Ready to put "David in his place".  

David, who probably felt indebted to one of the kings, who had helped him, probably was a bit uncertain of the repercussions that a fight with the whole lot of the Philistines would have on his kingdom.  As was his custom, David inquired of the Lord first, what he should do.  Maybe their forces were more.  We are not told.  What is important is that David inquired of the Lord, what he should do. When he broke through the forces he gave God the glory for the victory.  

The second time we read that David was given specific instructions as to how to go about fighting the battle.  The first time all we know is that he was given the assurance that the Philistines would be delivered into his hands.   David was obedient to the Lord.

We cannot say what would have been the result if David had not been following the Lord.  His whole reign would possibly have been a total disaster as we see of so many of the kings who try to do it their way.  

God has not made us puppets but has given us a free will and the ability to choose.  We can choose God's way or man's way, the last being a sure way of disaster.   God's way is always best.  

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There does seem to be a cut-off for questions we pose to God. 

Here's a stupid example: God doesn't care what I eat for breakfast, usually. Whether I have two eggs or hot cereal is not something He cares about nor is it something I bring to Him in prayer. I am an adult. I have an adult -- rational -- mind. When my kids were small, I made decisions for them. As they matured, I told them to make their own breakfast and not bother me with silly queries. 

This is a lousy example, but the truth is that as adults we go through the overwhelming majority of our day without consulting God ... because we make these decisions. Occasional issues arise, however, that demand a rationality greater than our own.  And, of course, pivotal and important decisions always involve His counsel. 

The issue has to do with finding that cut-off point at which the question is ours to answer or should be turned over to God. I answer this by praying to be sensitive to His leading and voice. Then, I go about my day. If something occurs during the day that causes me to hesitate, I pray. Of course, all big issues go to Him in prayer. But the point a cut-off point exists at which issues rise to the level of concern, and at this point, I pray. Note that most of life doesn't get even slightly close to this cut-off point. I just do life.

So I don't think it's pride or a deficient character to make decisions without consulting God but simple maturity. It's a sign of being a rational adult. Again, at times I'm confronted with decisions that should be deferred and delayed until God speaks, but there are not many of these sorts of decisions, to be honest. I'm not going to wait on God about 99 percent of life but I pray to hear His voice regarding important things, as well as things in which I feel a hesitation. At that point, even if the issue insignificant, I should always pray and wait to hear His answer, if possible. 

Many times in life we have deadlines and so an answer must come. We make a quick decision. But, if after we prayed we still heard no voice as clearly as David heard God tell him to attack the Philistines, we still have to make a decision. So we do. Humbly. Deferentially. We use our minds when He does not speak so clearly. I pray He actively arranges my thoughts as I make a decision that has to be made. I can do no more. I let it go.

David was in the middle of a battle. His men would die had he not made the wisest decision ... some would die if he made the wisest of decisions. It makes perfect sense that he would consult God in this important circumstance. In essence, even though David could have made a rational decision by going back to a pattern that had worked well in the past, he willingly asked God to validate or invalidate his logic. He asked God to substitute HIs plans and will in this situation. He asked God for help. To show the best way forward.

God answered this prayer.

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