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Q2. What does this tell us about the Father? The Father is the speaker here in 1:8 and in 21:6. But Jesus is the speaker in 1:17 and 22:12-13. What is the significance of this for our understanding of who Jesus is?

How do we know that the Father is the speaker in 1:8 and 21:6? How do we know that Jesus is the speaker in 1:17 and 22:12-13? The Bible that I am reading has Jesus' words in red. The publishers of the Bible that I am reading show 1:8, 1:17, 22:12-13 as Jesus' speaking as indicated in red and only 21:6 as the Father speaking, which is different from from the view taken in Q2. Nevertheless, it is evident that both the Father and Jesus are eternal and have been alive before the foundation of the world (John 17:24). The only connection to the eternal Father is thru Jesus (John 14:6, 11).

1:8 "'I am the Alpha and the Omega', says the Lord God, 'who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.'"

In Revelation more than any other book (in my opinion) Jesus is revealed in a way that *clearly* shows his sovereignty and his equality with the Father. Even other sects that deny the diety of Christ (that claim he is not, in fact, God) have difficulty explaining why Jesus says he is the First and Last(1:17) just as the Father in 21:6 says he is the Beginning and the End. They are one and the same. This is all significant towards understanding who Jesus is because it shows his power and his never-ending love for us. The power that only the Almighty has, the Living One, "I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!"(1:18) his love is shown in the awesome sacrifice he made in humbling Himself just to be with us.

This tells us the Father is the Beginning and the End,the completeness and totality of God The Almighty.Christ speaks with identical expression in meaning the same,which sets Jesus Christ apart from all created being.None other than God could share in the titles of God, is to my understanding of who Jesus is.

This is testimony of the Holy Trinity.
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
In the end of time, according to Scripture Jesus will sit at the right hand of God.

Amen, Come Lord Jesus.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people.
Amen.

The Father is 'the Alpha and the Omega, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty'. One verse, such power! He has always existed, and is beyond time. He is constant, and all powerful!

Jesus is the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega.

The Father and the Son are identical in nature - one is not lesser or greater than the other. I think those who had walked and talked with Jesus needed to understand His Deity - He is God. And sometimes even I need to remember His Holiness, Righteousness, Judgement and Power - not just His sacrifice and love and tenderness. We are servants of the God who is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, and servants have responsibilities. Our understanding of our Lord will help us to live our lives in a manner that is worthy of Him.

This passage tells us that God is, has been and always will exist. He is eternal. In the passages about Jesus, it is made clear that He and the Father are both God--One yet three in one! Jesus was in existance and participated in the creation, as was the Spirit. John makes this clear in his Gospel. So, we can know Jesus as our Lord and God who loves us so much He was willing to share human life and suffer and die for us! How shocking--and how humbling--to realize! That the Lord of all existance could love us that much! Wonderful!

Having never noticed the similarity in what God said and what Jesus said before, this in itself was a revealation to me. I have been taught the Trinity and this would seem to confirm it

This tells us that God and Jesus is one in the same. Jesus is God in the human form.
Jesus says He is the first and last, God says He is the beginning and the end, Alpha and Omega.
God and Jesus cannot be seperated.
Sometimes it is easy for me to think of Jesus as a kind of "pushover". He loves me so much that He died for me and He is always ready to forgive me. Instead of remembering that Jesus is God and should have the same amount of Holy fear from me.

Pastor Ralph, on Jul 19 2003, 03:59 PM, said:

Verse 8 says "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending so that the Lord which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty and in 21:6 he said unto me it is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athrist of the fountain of the water of life freely. Basically, Since Jesus died for our sins he is rewarded to give every man according as his work shall be. Jesus fell at God's feet as dead and God placed his right hand upon him saying "fear not; I am the first and the last."

Well ill have to say this shows us that God an Jesus is one an the same yet there is at times a parting between them
Jesus talked with God an only did an said what he heard or saw the father do an GOD spoke out of heaven for humans an for us to be able to see him as he is the 1st an last begining an the end
God is the spirit in heaven an Jesus is the flesh on earth that was filled with Gods spirit an thats where the power comes from an when Jesus left he gave us the power to do the work of the lord
GRACE
SAVED BY GRACE
i think grace is the power of GOD enableing us to become all he made us to be and to do all he has for us to do
Its how Jesus did it and its only by the power given to Jesus by God that we can do all things in Christ
Once again i think they are one in the same but yet apart at times

grace & peace unto you all
a brither in Christ
love always joe

What does this tell us about the Father? The Father is the speaker here in 1:8 and in 21:6. But Jesus is the speaker in 1:17 and 22:12-13. What is the significance of this for our understanding of who Jesus is?



'And God said..'Let "US" make man, after OUR likeness.....' Gen.1:26

'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God'...Jn.1:1

Jn.1:2 goes on to say, that the same (the Word) was in the beginning with God, so this is telling us, Jesus was, is, and always will be.
When God, the Father spoke the world into existence, Jesus, Himself, was the 'Word' spoken, from the mouth of God;

The trinity is one of the mysteries to be sure! Only through the revelation of the Spirit, are we able to comprehend this mystery...and even then, its hard to put into words...

In a class I was teaching, some years ago, the way I explained it was this way;
Just as we..mankind, are a 'trinity'...body, soul and spirit, so is God,
Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The difference being, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, have always, and will always, operate as One, in all things.
We as body soul and spirit, can become "fragmented"..not working in unision.
It is only through accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour, do we become 'one' ...whole, within ourselves, because of Him, and in Him.

"What is the significance of this for our understanding of who Jesus is?"

Jesus and the Father are one...for all that the Father is, and has...belongs to The Son...power, authority, etc. When we listen to Jesus, we are listening to the Father.

I believe this tells us that God is the Father and Jesus is the son, the one who came to give his life for our salvation. But it also tells us that God was before anything and that he is now and will be forever . And I believe that this assures us of our eternal life if we believe on Him. Also it tells us that God is the almighty of all things large and small.

We could be expounding on this to the point of confusion, but is not what God wants us to do, after all does he not say that He is not the author of confusion ? This is to reinforce our Faith, Verse upon verse ect.

The Lord God--the Father, is the beginning and the end. Jesus also is the first and the last. Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Here is a representation of both God the Father and Jesus as eternal beings.

We are given the Scripture to explain who the Father is in relation to the Son. I have never been able to fully grasp the Trinity (too incomprehensible for my finite mind). Are they one Being, or three beings in One (in spirit)? I know that the significance of these words in Revelation are that when the Father was there, so was His Son. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word WAS WITH God, and the Word WAS God," John 1:1.

Our Savior, who went through the cross for us, is eternal. He has always been here. He IS God. That in itself, is truly amazing!

The Father is the Lord from beginning to end--eternal. Without Him there is no beginning and no end. He is the beginning and end of existence, wisdom and power. jesus is the one who gives us power to overcome anything. He holds the key to death and the grave. He has set us free from Satan's control. We must understand that we need to place our life in Jesus' hands and in this way we receive eternal life.

question 1 tells us the Father has always been here. He is the beginning & the end. But Jesus also calls Himself the Alpha & the Omega, so that tells us Jesus also has always been here. It means to me they are both eternal & forever. Both God & one.

My Bible doesn't have the words that Jesus spoke written in red. Therefore, I was assuming that the significance had to do with the question: as to who said I am the first and the last. After reading the various posts ... now I say that the significance is that Jesus the Son and God the Father are one. If that is wrong will someone please let me know?
Love ...Bro. Al

Q2. What does this tell us about the Father? The Father is the speaker here in 1:8 and in 21:6. But Jesus is the speaker in 1:17 and 22:12-13. What is the significance of this for our understanding of who Jesus is?

a. That He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Begining and the End says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come. He is the Almighty!

I am not clear on who was the speaker is in 1:8 & 21:6, but I am clear on the speaker in 1:17 & 22 12-13. and the significance of the Father and Son.

b. They are both the Alpha and the Omega, they have always been, they are the sane yesterday, today and to come. They are eternal, and they are one, I am He!. God can not lie, therefore, there is only one God; both He and Jesus are the same, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. God the Father representing himself in different ways, but with the same power and might that has always been.

Rev. 1:8 (Father). I an alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, which is, and which was, which is to come.
Jesus said,"when you see me you have seen the Father." To me Jesus showes the true character of who God really is: THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY GHOST. All is one and eternal.

It tells us He is the Alpha and Omega – the beginning and the end. It also tells us that Jesus and the Father are one/equal/the same.

It tells me that in the beginning, now and forevermore, my God is faithful and steady and true. There will never be a time when I will have cause to doubt Him.

May His holy name be praised – Jesus!