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Posted 14 May 2006 - 03:38 AM

Q3. Why did Jesus purposely point his disciples to the phrasing found in Isaiah 53? How does this chapter help explain the meaning of Jesus' death?
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Post icon  Posted 28 May 2006 - 05:10 PM

I believe that Jesus used Isaiah 53 as a reference to His disciples to indicate that once again He was fulfilling Scripture, just as He did by His birth and throughout His ministry. He was in fact once more establishing His Divinity, although some of His disciples were unable to grasp that principle until after His resurrection

This chapter helps explain the meaning of Jesus' death by it's reference that Jesus made this sacrifice of His own free will, and that it wasn't made so that only a few would benefit, but that it was to make atonement for the sins of all mankind, so that those who elected to believe in Him as their Lord and Saviour could approach God directly without the need for further ritual or sacrifices and without the need of intervention from another human, such as was the case with the Israelites, where only the priests could enter the Holy of Holies and then only after completing elaborate purification rites.

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Posted 29 May 2006 - 12:40 AM

I think the disciples were in shock ater the crucifixion. It was very difficult for them to get their heads around what was really happening. It would not all come together for them until the Power of Pentecost was upon them and the Holy Spirit gave revelation. One of the purposes of the Holy Spirit is to bring to memory all that is needed for understanding, and that really took place at Pentecost, so that all that Jesus had explained to them suddenly became real in their understanding. Thus Jesus put in place the passages of Scripture that would be illuminated on that day, in powerj.

Once the Holy Spirit annointed them with understanding of the truth about Jesus, they took on His own person within them and became His flesh on the earth, doing the same works, teaching the same Truth, being sons of God in fact.

How does this chapter explain the meaning of Jesus' death? I think huge volumes have been written on the subject. But the essence of it might be that Jesus fulfilled both Old Testament law and also around 130 OT prophecies which no other single man on earth could ever fulfil. This alone clearly identifies Jesus as the Son of God in whom we are to place ALL our faith.
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Posted 29 May 2006 - 09:38 AM

. Why did Jesus purposely point his disciples to the phrasing found in Isaiah 53? How does this chapter help explain the meaning of Jesus' death?
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors."

Jesus is letting them know that He has full knowledge of the Father's plan and that it is the will of God for the things that are about to happen to Him must happen. He is letting them know that it is the only way that their sins and the sins of all Isreal can be forgiven. He alone can carry the sins of a nation on His shoulders. He alone has the power to overcome death and fulfill the prophecy about Him in Isaiah. He becomes one of the transgressors so that He alone can make intercession for them before the Father. He is showing the love He has for them in letting them know what is about to occur, yet they still missed the most important point. He was truly the Son of the Living God in their presence. He would rise again in three days and they could have been their to see it happen but they were afraid and missed the main idea that Jesus was giving them. He was their and is our Saviour.
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 04:19 AM

View PostPastor Ralph, on May 13 2006, 09:38 PM, said:

Q3. Why did Jesus purposely point his disciples to the phrasing found in Isaiah 53? How does this chapter help explain the meaning of Jesus' death?

In part I think it was to point to the fulfillment of the prophecy, the Scriptures which told about Him. He was the suffering and righteous servant. He was to bear the inquities of others. It sresses His innocence and the voluntary nature of His sacrifice. It is not an accident, a confluence of unexpected or unfortunate events. He pours out His life. He makes an intercession for transgressors. He offers Himself willingly as the sacrifice so that He can bear the sins of many.

"For you have been born again, not of imperishable seed, but imperishable, through the living enduring word of God."
"Jesus said, 'No one who puts his hand to the plough and looks back is fit for service in the Kingdom of God'."
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 02:38 PM

Jesus purposely pointed the phrase found in Isaiah 53 because it spoke of the Messiah , Jesus , who would suffer for the sins of all people. Such a prophency is astounding ! Who would have believed that God would choose to save the world through a humble, suffering servant rather than a glorious King? The idea is contrary to human pride and worldly thinking . God often works in ways we don't expect . The Messiah's strenght is shown by humility , suffering and mercy.
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 02:42 PM

Jesus sought to show His disciples that the scriptures about Him were fulfilled and that He indeed was the Messiah. The scriptures in Isaiah 53 detail His sacrificial death. The Father illustrates the extraordinary suffering that would be done by His righteous servant so that many would be justified.
Of note: To this day Isaiah 52:13-53:12 is not read during the normal cycle of scripture reading in synagogues.
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Posted 30 May 2006 - 08:57 PM

Jesus was Isaiah 53 every bit as much as he was all of the Scriptures. It was not unusual for the Scriptures to be woven creatively into daily conversation by the rabbis of that time. However, when Jesus spoke the scriptures He revealed the finished tapestry- Himself in full creative power and authority. He used passages from Isaiah in John. 12:38-40, confirming what Isaiah had seen in a vision some 700 yrs. earlier of His glory and then spoke of the Son of God. The disciples were familiar with Jesus using this passage prior to the Passover. As Christ was to be the Passover Lamb, it was appropriate for Him to continue expounding on this theme as the Last Supper would take place a few days later and the disciples soon would be witnesses of the fulfillment of this passage. This fulfillment would become the link between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.
The complete redemption by Jesus on the cross “for many” indicates that “all without exception are involved in guilt, all without exception are involved in sin, all without exception are guilty of straying, all without exception have turned away from God, and all without exception have chosen their own way.” But One Righteous was willing to suffer for all that the God of Salvation might be satisfied.
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Posted 31 May 2006 - 03:00 AM

Jesus purposely pointed to Is. 53 to because He soon would become the fulfillment of those scriptures which they had known for years. He poured out his life unto death--a choice He made. He was numbered with the transgressors--crucified with 2 other true transgressors. Bore the sins of many--He died for all mankind. Made intercession for the transgressors--for us and the other man on the cross. Also he will bear their iniquities--took upon himself our sins. Perfect, exact picture of why, how & what happened to Jesus that day!!
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Post icon  Posted 31 May 2006 - 11:01 PM

JESUS WAS LETTING HIS DISCIPLES KNOW THAT HE CAME TO FULFILL THE PROPHESIES WRITTEN ABOUT HIM LONG BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN AROUND.ISAIAH HAD WRITTEN THAT CHRIST WOULD VOLUNTARILY LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND, THAT HE WOULD BE NUMBERED WITH THE TRANSGRESSORS.THEY DIDNT TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAME TO DIE AS A RANSOM FOR MANY SO THE LORD HAD TO REVEAL SCRIPTURES TO THEM WHICH THEY PROBABLY UNDERSTOOD WITH MUCH MORE CLARITY WHEN THEY WERE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.THE BIBLE SAYS HE IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.THIS CHAPTER HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND THAT HIS DEATH WAS A VOLUNTARY SACRIFICE FOR ALL OF US...HE TOOK OUR INFIRMITIES AND BORE OUR DISEASES; HE WAS WOUNDED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS AND BRUISED FOR OUR INEQUITIES; THE CHASTISEMENT FOR OUR PEACE WAS UPON HIM.HE DIED FOR YOU AND I SO OUR SINS WOULD BE COMPLETELY FORGIVEN...PRAISE GOD...
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Posted 01 June 2006 - 01:09 PM

Jesus's death had a far higher purpose than just the salvation and deliverance of Israel. The Jews understood themselves to be a special nation, Yahweh's chosen people, not transgressors in the broadest sense of godlessness. They were expecting the divine promise of a Deliverer King. But here Jesus was pointing them to the truth that in order to gain that deliverance, their Anointed One was going to be numbered with the godless. He was going to be smitten by God and afflicted with the iniquity of many more than just their nation. He was going to be wounded and crushed to pour out His life-blood to gain mankind's peace with God. He was going to make intercession for the wicked world to be made righteous and redeemed to God. He was explaining His true mission to the disciples and how He was to fulfill the centuries-old promise of Messiah.

Isaiah 53 is an incredible prophetic picture of the reason for Jesus' earthly life. He came to suffer our sins on our behalf and restore our relationship to Yahweh. The death of Jesus was a work of sacrificial love and it is our glorious salvation. But ultimately, the fundamental purpose for Jesus' death was to prosper and accomplish the will of the LORD (Isa.53:10). The will of the Father is that all who will believe on the Son of God shall have resurrected, eternal life with Him (John 6:38-40).

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Posted 03 June 2006 - 09:32 PM

Q3. Why did Jesus purposely point his disciples to the phrasing found in Isaiah 53? How does this chapter help explain the meaning of Jesus' death?
JESUS REFERENCED ISAIAH 53 BECAUSE IT WAS THE WORD THAT WAS WRITTEN THAT HE CAME TO FULFILL. HE WANTED THEM TO REMEMBER WHAT HIS PURPOSE WAS AND TO REMIND THEM THAT HE WAS THERE TO FILL THAT PURPOSE. TO SERVE THE FATHER'S WILL.
THIS CHAPTER WAS WRITTEN AS PROPHECY TO ILLUSTRATE THINGS TO COME. JESUS CAME TO FULFILL THAT PROPHESY, IT WAS THE ONLY WAY. IT HAD TO BE DONE.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 09:35 PM

When Jesus refers to Isaiah, He emphasizes the prophecy that He is fulfilling, and the chapter explains that the meaning of His death is to save many.
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 10:38 PM

Jesus purposely pointed the disciples to the phrasing of Isaiah 53 because it is a passage that contained the prophesy about the kind of death He as the Messiah would go through for the redemption of mankind. He did that so that if they understood the passage, they would understand the reason for His death to fulfill the prophessy in the passage.

The chapter, Isaiah 53, helps to explain the meaning of Christ's death in that it explains how the Messiah would suffer and die for the sins of others even though He was without sin. The messiah was to go through this suffering and death willingly with all humlity. This prophesy was fulfilled in Jesus and by Him when the jews wickedly handed Him to be crucified. They thought they were harming Him but the fact was that they were merely playing into the perfect plan of the Lord God for the salvation of many.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 01:43 PM

Because it was suppose to help them understand that He bore the sins of us all, and through it he made intercession for ALL transgressors, that is if they accept Him and His work.
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Post icon  Posted 06 June 2006 - 03:49 AM

Jesus pointed to the phrasing in Isaiah 53 because it was the prophetic revelation as to the whole purpose of Jesus' life. He was the fulfillment of that scripture, and I'm remembering that Jesus also emphasized throughout the last supper, that He had come as a servant. I'm reading all of Isaiah 53 and that is what is standing out to me. Servants are lowly and not thought highly of. Servants aren't noticed or have attention drawn to themselves. They aren't viewed as very chosen or special people. They aren't thought of for exalted ministries and are often forgotten and rejected by men. Being a servant means working on behalf of another, not for our own means or selfish gain but to benefit someone else. Jesus did all this for us. Though He was without any sin and He healed and fed and taught and comforted so many, He was despised, rejected and a man of sorrow. He still was a servant to us who were the sinners, the transgressors, the ones deserving of the punishment He ultimately endured for us. He came to serve and because He was obedient to our Father in this, He was raised up, exalted and triumphant and given a portion among the great.
This was God's will for Him, to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer and to make His life a guilt offering. The will of the Lord ultimately prospered Him. Because He poured out His life for many, He saw the light of life and was satisfied. He bore the sins of other people and continues to make intercession for them (us).
Jesus is the model of what our lives are to be lived for also. We can't do exactly what Jesus did as He was the final sacrifice to atone for sin, but we can be servants to each other, benefiting each other. Esteeming other as better than ourselves and in many ways, humbly laying down our lives for others to benefit Christ's Kingdom. We will suffer and be despised and be asked by God to suffer silently and to intercede in prayer for those against us, but in due time, He raises us up also and we too, will see the light of life and be satisfied sharing in Christ's glory.
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Posted 06 June 2006 - 06:15 AM

Q3. Why did Jesus purposely point his disciples to the phrasing found in Isaiah 53?

Believe it or not, all men are sinners.

Here is the proof: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10); "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". (Romans 3:23)

We the many, is every human who has His life’s breath, that was given to Adam. This is the air that we breathe.

Jesus, the human form of God, interceded for His own creation, at the cross. God saw down through time that man kind would need to repent from sin for committed against the law that was given in stone on the day of Pentecost. The penalty for sin, is death. God’s desire is that all should live. It is not His desire that any should perish, that is why He sent His son, for the many, that all should repent, and turn from sin.

Matthew 18:13-14
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

Jesus brought salvation and healing in the form of a suffering servant, to God the Father, Jesus interceded on our behalf. The people who lived during the years called the Old Testament, life before Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, was just that. Life before Christ and the power of The Holy Spirit. The old way of knowledge.

How does this chapter help explain the meaning of Jesus' death?

His death made us all acceptable unto God.

Revelation 12:10

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. The accuser, demand our death. Day and night he tells God that we should die. That we are guilty. Thank God, that He sent His Son, so that we can say to the enemy, “Even you, must submit your life to Christ” Notice that satan in this verse is before God? That is because, he is in submission to God Almighty.

No matter what the accuser wants, God has a provision. There is always a way out, when we think we are hemmed in. We may not be able to go left or right or in or out, but we can always, go up!

Jesus Christ is our Advocate, Our Defender. He is the Judge's Son. We can no longer be tried for a case that is no longer on the docket. The case is closed and satan can not appeal.

There may be new trials come along, but Jesus will still defend us if we ask Him to plead our case. He will. His Father is just. His wrath has been satisfied through the blood of The Lamb. The One, who laid down His life, for His sheep.

We the many, really are not as baaaaaad , as satan wishes that we were. And when we are, The Holy Spirit, brings us to attention, we repent and the big bad wolf leaves with his tail between his legs, defeated, once again, by the blood of The Lamb. He goes away hungry, for he has not gotten to kill his prey. Jesus, intervened! Praise His Holy Name. Praise the name of Jesus Christ.

In Isaiah 53, God pulled back the curtain of time to let the people of Isaiah's day, look ahead to see a glimpse of the future Messiah whose death would result in forgiveness, made available to all. This was a commentary script in my bible based on verse 1, but worth repeating! Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our message? To whom will the LORD reveal his saving power? We have believed the message and His Saving Power has been revealed to us... The masses who have breath.


View PostLion of Grace, on Jun 5 2006, 07:49 PM, said:

Jesus pointed to the phrasing in Isaiah 53 because it was the prophetic revelation as to the whole purpose of Jesus' life. He was the fulfillment of that scripture, and I'm remembering that Jesus also emphasized throughout the last supper, that He had come as a servant. I'm reading all of Isaiah 53 and that is what is standing out to me. Servants are lowly and not thought highly of. Servants aren't noticed or have attention drawn to themselves. They aren't viewed as very chosen or special people. They aren't thought of for exalted ministries and are often forgotten and rejected by men. Being a servant means working on behalf of another, not for our own means or selfish gain but to benefit someone else. Jesus did all this for us. Though He was without any sin and He healed and fed and taught and comforted so many, He was despised, rejected and a man of sorrow. He still was a servant to us who were the sinners, the transgressors, the ones deserving of the punishment He ultimately endured for us. He came to serve and because He was obedient to our Father in this, He was raised up, exalted and triumphant and given a portion among the great.
This was God's will for Him, to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer and to make His life a guilt offering. The will of the Lord ultimately prospered Him. Because He poured out His life for many, He saw the light of life and was satisfied. He bore the sins of other people and continues to make intercession for them (us).
Jesus is the model of what our lives are to be lived for also. We can't do exactly what Jesus did as He was the final sacrifice to atone for sin, but we can be servants to each other, benefiting each other. Esteeming other as better than ourselves and in many ways, humbly laying down our lives for others to benefit Christ's Kingdom. We will suffer and be despised and be asked by God to suffer silently and to intercede in prayer for those against us, but in due time, He raises us up also and we too, will see the light of life and be satisfied sharing in Christ's glory.



Jesus pointed to the phrasing in Isaiah 53 because it was the prophetic revelation as to the whole purpose of Jesus' life. He was the fulfillment of that scripture, and I'm remembering that Jesus also emphasized throughout the last supper, that He had come as a servant. I'm reading all of Isaiah 53 and that is what is standing out to me. Servants are lowly and not thought highly of. Servants aren't noticed or have attention drawn to themselves. They aren't viewed as very chosen or special people. They aren't thought of for exalted ministries and are often forgotten and rejected by men. Being a servant means working on behalf of another, not for our own means or selfish gain but to benefit someone else. Jesus did all this for us. Though He was without any sin and He healed and fed and taught and comforted so many, He was despised, rejected and a man of sorrow. He still was a servant to us who were the sinners, the transgressors, the ones deserving of the punishment He ultimately endured for us. He came to serve and because He was obedient to our Father in this, He was raised up, exalted and triumphant and given a portion among the great.
This was God's will for Him, to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer and to make His life a guilt offering. The will of the Lord ultimately prospered Him. Because He poured out His life for many, He saw the light of life and was satisfied. He bore the sins of other people and continues to make intercession for them (us).
Jesus is the model of what our lives are to be lived for also. We can't do exactly what Jesus did as He was the final sacrifice to atone for sin, but we can be servants to each other, benefiting each other. Esteeming other as better than ourselves and in many ways, humbly laying down our lives for others to benefit Christ's Kingdom. We will suffer and be despised and be asked by God to suffer silently and to intercede in prayer for those against us, but in due time, He raises us up also and we too, will see the light of life and be satisfied sharing in Christ's glory.


What a terrific process of thought you have put into answering this question. I am so moved! Thank you!
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Posted 06 June 2006 - 11:51 PM

Isaiah 53, amongst other scriptures, points out the a righteous servant, a humble servant, will GIVE his life for many.
A fulfilment of prophecy.
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Posted 08 June 2006 - 05:21 PM

This points out the authority of the Scriptures. This chapter explains clearly that Jesus died to intercede for us sinners.
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 01:00 AM

View PostPastor Ralph, on May 14 2006, 03:38 AM, said:

Q3. Why did Jesus purposely point his disciples to the phrasing found in Isaiah 53? How does this chapter help explain the meaning of Jesus' death?

Jesus purposely pointed his disciples to the phrasing found in Isaiah 53 because Jesus wants that his disciples gain understanding of the reason for his death from that phrasing.

This chapter explains the meanings of Jesus’ death by saying that he suffered and endured great pain for us, he was wounded and crushed because of our sins, he accepted the punishment we that had gone our way deserved, he that is innocent take the punishment to justify many, he poured out his life unto death to bear the sin of many.
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