charisbarak Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 If you have to twist someone's arm to serve, then the church is not being led by God neither is the one whose arm is being twisted. The church could eventually be destroyed by leaders chosen by men rather than by God's leading. The leaders produced will not be fruitful and probably would hinder those acting in God's will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Olamiji Taiwo Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 4/18/2004 at 4:12 AM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? What's wrong with the common practice in the churches of twisting a person's arm as church leader is manipulated by guilt or duty because it's not willingly service. It caused the church a great damage because there will less interest depreciating the growth of the church spiritually, physically and morally. Its will produce irresponsible and unreliable leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Olamiji Taiwo Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 4/18/2004 at 4:12 AM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? What's wrong with the common practice in the churches of twisting a person's arm as church leader is manipulated by guilt or duty because it's not willingly service. It caused the church a great damage because there will less interest depreciating the growth of the church spiritually, physically and morally. Its will produce irresponsible and unreliable leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blezed Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 4/18/2004 at 0:12 AM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? "Twisting a person's arm" to get him/her to serve as a church leader takes away the willingness to serve. One is not serving because they want to serve but because it is out of obligation. Serving out of guilt or duty, rather than from love of Christ, to serve God's people eventually the person looses interest. The church is no further ahead. All you will have is a bunch of ineffective leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 4/17/2004 at 9:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? 1. Arm twisting is "man playing God", whereas scripture teaches us that Holy Spirit calls and anoints us according to our gifting. In my early days when feeling "twisted" into service, the Holy Spirit led me to say "No" but I felt guilty doing so. Later He showed me that if I jump into a "place" under pressure, I may be hindering the reluctant candidate that He IS calling into that position from stepping into their calling and purpose for that time and place...maybe they are just wanting to be certain before saying "Yes". He has shown me "When uncertain, Wait!" 2. We are one body with many parts, mutually dependent upon one another. The Lord puts us together in our seasons and places to function within the body. When one is "pushed" into service the interconnected body is weakened, and is lacking the gifts of the "intended" individual who was either overlooked, hesitant to respond until certain of the calling, or disobedient to the call. (Rom.12). The body may end up with 2 "heads" vying for the lead, or 3 "legs" and one "arm" and a dysfunctional, weak body limping along instead of flourishing! 3.I would say that when one is "chosen by the flesh", their leadership will be "in the flesh." The result may be a pastor who is a good speaker, with no pastoral gifting, or a deacon with leadership skills but has no anointing due to immaturity and lack of Bible knowledge, or a teacher with strong opinions that disagree with the canon of Scripture, or a children's ministry teacher who shames children into learning....and on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil NRG Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 4/18/2004 at 2:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? "Twisting a person's arm" never works. We need to be willing and eager to serve, in whatever we are asked to do. It should flow from a natural gifting and desire, but our heart has to be in it, for us to be a true blessing and joy to others. It will reflect in the light in our face and the joyful passion in our voice. God knows and we can check our small still voice within us to choose to say yes or no. Do not be afraid to say no, if your heart is not in it. Be true to yourself and to God and to your fellow church-goers, especially for those who are lost and seeking God. If not, the church cannot function as God intended. By His grace He fulfills the needs of each one of us and of each role in church. I believe that leaders need to wait on the Lord for a prompting to help steer someone into a church ministry, whether it be providing flowers, ushering new people, providing food, visiting the widows, ministering to the homeless, music ministry, preaching, worship or whatever it may be. I believe that it produces leaders that are loved and respected by their people, a reflection of their reverence to God and the example of Jesus. A church does not grow organically without such a leader; one who is focussed on people and growing people, rather than themself -- this also applies in a workplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandtoad Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Coercing someone to serve as a church leader only serves to instill guilt and legalism into a person and removes their joy in their faith. That person may not be called by God to serve as leader. This can damage a church by driving people to other churches who aren’t legalistic, or even worse, embittering people and pushing them from the Christian faith. It can produce a leader who isn’t enthused about serving. This attitude is sure to be noticed by people who need to be drawn closer, rather than pushed away. The leader might put followers on a guilt trip as the leader was, thus producing a vicious circle of future legalistic leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader? What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? Unfortunately, I have seen this happen too often. Besides coercing someone to become a leader, I’ve seen leaders appointed from a ruling clique. No consideration is given to the qualification requirements we read in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and in Titus 1:6-9. As you can imagine, both with harmful results to the church. The church does not function as it should in many areas. This all has negative effects on the congregation who feel the shortcomings of leadership. Very often these appointed leaders are not to blame as they are out of their depths, and the lazy members of the congregation are to blame. I feel if you love the Lord you should be only too willing to serve Him in whatever capacity the Holy Spirit leads you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Jerry Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 If you have to “twist the person’s arm” to get him or her to serve as a church leader then you are not getting the best person. That person is grudging to the job. He may not participate in the discussions and not look into the situation. This makes it so the church cannot be the best that they can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliya721 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 On 4/18/2004 at 0:12 AM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? The person may not wish to serve for the right reasons. The wrong reasons would be for perks, status, or privileges and this dilutes the church's power. Service should be natural. If you aren't interested in doing it, you should pray for God to give you that servant heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertha Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 When someone takes a position in the church forcefully, there is the danger of.neglecting the flock for there's no love for them. They mean nothing to you, so the minute any problem arises, you run. Instead of caring for the sheep, you might have a bossy attitude and scare the sheep, possibly scattering them. In the primitive church, chosen leaders of the church were required to be filled with Holy Spirit. This says it all. The Spirit of God: The Spirit of truth. God is love. God is merciful. God is patient. God cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eilen Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 At no time should a member of a church be browbeaten into taking a leadership role. Positions should be filled by people who are willing, have the desire to do so. In this way the best is put forward by that individual. This leads to resentment and conflict between the leader and his congregation.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Grant Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader? What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? 1. People should not be manipulated by guilt or duty, but they should be willing to serve because they love him and his people. Their duty does not get done well due to lack of willingness regarding themselves. 2. It is not a good example and it can ruin, cause confusion, and division to the church. People need to receive love and care from someone that is a true leader. 3. It produces someone that loves money, doing the job because they have to and possibly unhappy about doing it, and allowing the flock to see him or her as a bad example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonY Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? We should serve in the church because we want to serve God. We should serve because we love to tell the story. The damage to the Church of twisting a person's arm is that the service is done but the story has not been told with love. The type of leaders that we get are those who served because they feel they should and not because they love to tell the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Q2. (5:2) Q. What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader? A. This is wrong because God requires that we serve willingly and not to be coerced or manipulated. Q. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? A. Service not done willing will not pleasing to of and the result will not be wholesome/ fruitful. I think this produces a carnal leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilka Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? I think all of us have time and power to volunteer in our church or other Places because of serving People. I do my Job with the guidance of Holy Spirit and for glory of God. "You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all." (Mark 10:42-44) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioned Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 On 4/18/2004 at 0:12 AM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? When a person does not feel that the will of God is for them to take a position they should not be forced to do so. Forcing a person to hold a position causes them to possible, miss the plan of God for their life. They continue to work in the position giving mediocre service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighthouse2014 Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 4/17/2004 at 11:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q2. (5:2) What's wrong with the common practice in churches of "twisting a person's arm" to get him or her to serve as a church leader. What damage does this do to the church? What kind of leader does it produce? Twisting a person's arm to serve in the Lord's church is acting against the willingness of a person who does not want to serve in that particular position. Positioning a person in an office or ministry he does not want will cause the person not to follow the Lord's will or in another way, the Lord' will, will not be done. This could damage a church by not following the will of the Lord. This will most likely produce a poor or incompetent leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissi Posted March 20 Report Share Posted March 20 Arm-twisting is … vile. But so is not reaching out and asking people to serve in a particular way. I have seen many, many people in churches who leave without ever finding a niche for service. Some of them are very talented and quite willing to serve but are never asked or approached and by their own initiative couldn’t find space for their calling. So, yes, 1) arm-twisting is one extreme – coercing people into service --; 2) ignoring gifted believers because the church is top-heavy or differently oriented is the opposite extreme – blocking people from service. Either extreme damages the church. People who are willing to serve but can’t find a niche often leave the church because they rightly feel out of place spiritually. Similarly, people who don’t want to serve eventually stop going to church because they’re too selfish, busy, or have lousy priorities. Churches must be places where people grow and thrive spiritually. Having written this, I do not think every church needs to accommodate every gift. Some gifts belong in other churches or parachurch ministries. Some gifted people don’t fit well in a particular church but may be a much better fit in another church. Gifting always comes with a calling. If a person is called to do something and the church doesn’t accommodate or have a desire to see that calling actualized, that means that person is in the wrong place. God is leading him or her to another venue. Obey and go. Arm-twisting produces temporary, shallow leaders. They’ll leave. That’s what they really want anyway, to observe not give, so in time, unless their character changes, they’ll just leave. In this way, the problem corrects itself, though it could harm other Christians along the way. Those who want to serve but cannot find a niche will also leave. They’ll be led to another church or program where they are able to serve. Again, the problem corrects itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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