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Q3. The Witness of the Grave Clothes

#1 User is offline   Pastor Ralph

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 04:48 AM

Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?
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Posted 10 March 2007 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Feb 28 2007, 10:48 PM) View Post
Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?



First--seeing the burial cloths there (and no body)

Second--the cloths were not just abandoned. The head cloth was folded and apart from the other strips!

They hadn't understood from the scriptures that Jesus must rise from the dead...but SEEING WAS BELIEVING!!! smile.gif
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Posted 17 March 2007 - 08:07 AM

Peter & John believed when they saw the graveclothes left behind.

The strips had been unwound & were lying there & the headcloth was neatly folded. Jesus was alive. He had removed the clothes binding him & neatly wrapped the headcloth. This took a little time & was done deliberately. (This proves His body could not have been stolen either.)
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Post icon  Posted 17 March 2007 - 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Mar 1 2007, 04:48 AM) View Post
Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?

Simon Peter saw the strips of linen lying there as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus'head. The cloth was folded seperate from the linen. the other disciple went inside, He saw and believed.


The grave cloths were left as if Jesus had passed right through them The headpeace was stilled rolled up in the shape of a head, and it was at about the right distance from the wrappings that had been around the body of Jesus and left the linens as if they were still shaped around it
A grave robber couldn't possibly have stolen the body and left the linens as if they were still shaped around it.
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Posted 18 March 2007 - 12:42 AM

It seems that both witnesses seen the position of the clothes as if they were not removed or disturbed in any way but the headpiece being neatley folded.By seeing this they knew noone had entered the tomb and that Jesus had risen.
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:20 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Feb 28 2007, 11:48 PM) View Post
Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?

It was evident that something supernatural had happened! In order for Jesus' body to have been stolen away from the tomb, the stealers would have had to overcome the guards in some fashion [drugged their water, bribed them...?], have them help roll the tomb stone aside, unwrap Jesus' burial clothes and carefully tidy them up, carry Jesus away to someplace, and have the guards pretend that they knew nothing about what had happened [and under what penalty by Pontius Pilate?]

It seems that Peter & John came to the tomb not believing what they had been told by the women [the 1st Evangelists?] but when they checked the tomb out and saw everything neatly folded - even Jesus' head cloth - that was enough for them to believe.

But what did they believe, I wonder? Do the verses - John 20:9-10 - in their textual location indicate that they believed that he had risen from the dead, or was it that they believed the concern of Mary Magdalene: "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"? [Jn 20:2]
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Mar 1 2007, 04:48 AM) View Post
Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?

The fact that the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus' head was neatly folded and lying separately from the other cloths. To be in this state, rather than just thrown aside, or even missing, had His body been stolen, strongly signfied to Peter and John that Christ had indeed risen.
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 11:52 PM

The position of the grave clothes. The head wrapping was folded and the strips of linen were lying where His body was suppose to be.
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Posted 20 March 2007 - 08:06 AM

Seeing the burial clothing still there neat and the head piece nicely folded, grave robbers would'nt do that. They knew something supernatural happened and the revelation hit them that Jesus has arisen and they now beleived.


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Posted 20 March 2007 - 09:31 AM

[quote name='Pastor Ralph' date='Mar 1 2007, 04:48 AM' post='24421']
Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?


Peter and John saw that the grave clothes were neatly folded and it looked as if Jesus just came out of them without disturbing them. This proved to them that Jesus had really resurrected just as he told them several times and not that robbers had stolen his body. This was ample testimony of the power of God.

Seeing the bodily resurrection of Jesus was enough to stir up faith in these disciples. Our faith should also be stirred as we learn and hear testimonies of the resurrected Christ.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 01:04 PM

The manner in which the grave linens appeared led Peter and John to believe that Jesus came out of the grave clothes rather than being removed from Him, increasing their faith.
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Post icon  Posted 20 March 2007 - 04:19 PM

The linen wrapping were left as if Jesus' body had simply vacated them. The cloth that covered Jesus' head was still rolled up in the shape of ahead, and it was at about the right distance from the wrappings that had enveloped Jesus body. A grave robber couldn't possibly have made off with jesus' body and left the linens as if they were still shaped around it.
These reasons made the two disciples of Jesus to believe.
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Posted 20 March 2007 - 09:23 PM

The fact that the grave clothes were present and folded led Peter an John to believe that Jesus' body wasn't stolen, but Jesus must have resurrected from the dead as He taught. The peculiar thing about the clothes was that they were neatly folded suggesting that Jesus did not come out of a coma, thus struggling out of the burial clothes, but passed through them.
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Posted 21 March 2007 - 12:42 AM

Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?

The head cloth was folded, and the cloth his body was wrapped in remained intact.........as if he had slipped right through them without disturbing them.
Taking the time to fold the head cloth ....and place it on the shelf was proof that Jesus' body had not been stolen.
When Peter and John they realized that his body was not stolen, therefore he had to have risen.
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Posted 21 March 2007 - 03:21 AM

Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?
The grave clothes were like Jesus' body was still in them. They were still in place but the body was missing. Because Jesus had risen from them. The head cloth was folded neatly near the other linen. When the two of them saw this they remembered Jesus' promise of his resurrection from the grave.

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 04:17 AM

QUOTE(revmrf @ Mar 19 2007, 07:20 PM) View Post
But what did they believe, I wonder? Do the verses - John 20:9-10 - in their textual location indicate that they believed that he had risen from the dead, or was it that they believed the concern of Mary Magdalene: "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"? [Jn 20:2]


That's a great question! Thinking of it I realize that in fact they could have been confused, but to the direction of starting to believe that Jesus was alive. This also happens with us, we start to believe in phases. First we see a truth about the Lord, but our human minds (especially the ones with scientific backgrounds and highly educated) refuse to take their believe for granted, and start thinking it over and step by step we reach the conclusion to believe. At that time no one can take the believing and faith from our heart.
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 02:38 AM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Mar 1 2007, 04:48 AM) View Post
Q3. (Luke 24:12; John 20:6-8) What about the grave clothes brought Peter and John to faith? What was so peculiar about them?

The grave clothes were lying there very neatly. Robbers would have taken HIM in the grave clothes and if HE had just awakened the clothes would have been in disarray. The mere fact that they were lying folded neatly was amazing in itself
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 12:43 PM

The grave clothes would have been missing if the body had been stolen.
The matter of the position of the grave clothes so neatly placed were the realization to the disciples that jesus had risen and escaped from his earthly body. Thr grave cloths were still in the same position as when he was buried in them.
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Post icon  Posted 25 March 2007 - 01:40 PM

The grave linens were neatly folded. They were lying in a way that showed they had not been removed from the body, but that the body had been removed from them.
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 10:04 PM

What beefed up the faith of Peter and John was the fact that the grave cloth were not disturbed as the Lord slipped out of them as he resurrated. The explanation that Pastor Ralgh gave that if the Lord's body was stolen, the cloth would have been useful in carrying him away and would not have been there has opened my spiritual eyes more. Jesus is risen and is Lord in deed.
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