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Q2. Psalm 110. The Messiah as Priest and King

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 10:06 PM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?
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Posted 20 October 2007 - 03:01 AM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making?
The Pharisees expected a Messiah to be of the linage of David who would come conquering the enemies of the Jews. They saw Jesus as human, as a decendant of David, and as such to be inferior to David. Jesus' question to them was to get them to see Him for who He is, the Messiah Son of God and thus greater than man.

How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world?
Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world as His Messianic rule extended beyond this earthly kingdom, thus King of Kings. And as Warrior He conquered the enemy of our soul and delivered us from the bondage of sin.

How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?
Before peace reigns again on the earth, the Prince of Peace must bring judgement and destroy wickedness from the earth.
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QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 18 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?

This psalm is pure gospel; it is only, and wholly, concerning Christ, the Messiah promised to the fathers and expected by them. It is plain that the Jews of old, even the worst of them,so understood it, however the modern Jews have endeavoured to pervert it and to rob us of it; for when the Lord Jesus proposed a question to the Pharisees upon the first words of this psalm, where he takes it for granted that David, in spirit, calls Christ his Lord though he was his Son, they chose rather to say nothing, and to own themselves gravelled, than to make it a question whether David does indeed speak of the messish or no; for they freely yield so plain a truth, though they foresee it will turn to their own disgrace, ( Math 22:41 ) Of Him therefore, no doubt, the prophet here speaks of Him and of no other man. Christ, as our Redeemer, executes the office of a prophet, of a priest, and of a King, with reference both to his humiliation and His exaltation; and each of these we have here an account. I. His prophetical office ( Psalm 110 2 ). 2. His priestly office ( Psalm 110 4 ) 3. His Kingly office ( Psalm110 : 1, Psalm 110:3, Psalm 110 5, psalm 110 6 ). 4. His estates of humiliation and exaltation ( Psalm 110:7 ). In singing this Psalm we must act faith upon Christ, submit ourselves entirely entirely to Him, to His grace and government, and saved, for ever, and as the prophet, priest, and King, of the whole church, who shall reign till He has put down all opposing rule, principality, and power, and delivered up the kingdom to God the Father.
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Posted 04 November 2007 - 12:30 PM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?

1) Though the Jews of Jesus' time saw Psalm 110 as Messianic, they saw the Messiah in purely human terms, as a physical descendent of David, and thus inferior to David. Jesus' question, based on his careful understanding of this psalm, revealed the "greater than David" nature of the Messiah. For when the Lord Jesus proposed a question to the Pharisees upon the first words of this psalm, where he takes it for granted that David, in spirit, calls Christ his Lord though he was his Son, they chose rather to say nothing. In Psalm we must have a strong faith towards Christ, and we also must submit ourselves entirely to Him.

2) Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-king and priest in his ministry to us and to this world as His Messianic rule extended to this world. This King and Priest of Psalm 110 not only rules for Yahweh, he acts as a mediator between man and God to atone for man's sins. Only when we understand Jesus as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, who in himself bore our sins and carried our iniquities, can we understand how Jesus served as a"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men...." (1 Timothy 2:5-6; also Hebrews 8:6; 9:15; and Mark 10:45) priest to bring us to God.

3) Before Prince of Peace comes, we must take away the evil deeds and thoughts we have. We have to complete have faith in God and have him destroy all the evil things that we have in mind.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 12:53 AM

I think Jesus asked that question of the Pharisee's to get them thinking of perhaps a greater than David Messiah. They were still thinking in human terms only.

He will be the warrior king & rule on the day of judgment to come. He is our great high priest right now, breaking down the barrier between God & man by His death on the cross.

Peace can only come when everyone is of one mind--with Jesus as head. There will be judgments coming--great destruction of those who deny Jesus Christ & defy God.
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 18 2007, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?



THAT DAVID WAS A DECENDANT OF JESUS.

HE BROKE THE BARRIOR BETWEEN JESUS AND MAN BY GIVING HIS LIFE ON THE CROSS.

THE LORD IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE AND HE WILL DESTROY ANTHING THAT IS EVIL.



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Posted 05 November 2007 - 03:52 PM

The Pharisees then, as does the Jewish state today, view the Messiah as a man from the lineage of David who will free them from their oppressors The, the Romans, today, certain of the Arabs.

Jesus was trying to show the Pharisees that the Messiah is spiritual, not fleshly. The Lord always made the point that God wants to saves us from our sin, not our human conquerers or enemies.

Jesus is King of Kings. That means that He, as ruler of all is the administrator of and yet, as our High Priest He must minister to all.

In order to bring peace it is necessary for Jesus to deal with those who are opposed to it. He is and will finish what He has started when He returns with His army of saints.
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Post icon  Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:48 PM

Jesus needed to make them understand that the Messiah was not a physical role only but first and foremost a spiritual King, whose lineage was higher than that of David. As the Son of God, He was higher than all men could ever be.


To us, He is the priest who makes the atoning sacrifice for us before God, bringing us to the Father, when previously we were not able to come to Him. As a warrior king, He brings all things subject to Him, will the battle against satan for us.


Jesus is the prince of peace, teaching us to love one another and let peace reign on earth, but with a holy anger, He must get rid of sin, and deliver us from the grips of satan, and to do this, He exercises violence. biggrin.gif


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Posted 05 November 2007 - 05:36 PM

Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making?

That Jesus was greater than David, He was David’s Lord even though He came from David line, and this speaks of His pre existence and the mystery of the incarnation.

How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world?

The message of the gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus announced, both brings reconciliation and condemnation, reconciliation to those who respond in faith and thankfulness, and condemnation to those who reject Him and His grace. Jesus is for those who trust Him the great High Priest interceding for us before the Father (priests have a role before God and men) but for those who refuse & oppose Him there will be judgment and wrath. At the judgment we will see grace and wrath, believers will be rewarded but those who have hardened their hearts to God and His gospel will receive wrath, thus Jesus is both Warrior-King and Priest.

How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?

Regarding the incarnation the Angels announces good news of great joy for all people- God’s grace has been offered to everyone, God has done everything, He Himself has made a way for human beings to be saved, it was costly- it took the death of His precious Son-no greater price could have been paid! If human being want salvation it is there! But if they refuse, they can never complain that God did not make a way for them, if they refuse their blood be on their own hands. This is how Jesus is Prince of Peace and yet for those who reject His peace their will be wrath and violence, and torment, that is not what He wants-it is their choice if the reject so great a salvation!

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 11:57 PM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making?

Jesus wanted them to see clearly who he really was. Not just human but deity, the LORD, the Messiah. “Though the Jews of Jesus' time saw Psalm 110 as Messianic, they saw the Messiah in purely human terms, as a physical descendent of David, and thus inferior to David. Jesus' question, based on his careful understanding of this psalm, revealed the "greater than David" nature of the Messiah.”

How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world?

“This King and Priest of Psalm 110 not only rules for Yahweh, he acts as a mediator between man and God to atone for man's sins. Only when we understand Jesus as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, who in him self bore our sins and carried our iniquities, can we understand how Jesus served as a priest to bring us to God.” He as priest was / is our mediator before the Father.

Regarding Jesus as being Warrior-King, “Psalm 110 concludes with a poetic prophecy of how the Messiah will exert his rule over all his enemies, fulfilled ultimately at the Battle of Armageddon and the final battle at the end of days spoken of in Revelation.” Jesus is mighty in battle and in the end is victorious over the forces of all his enemies.


How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?

He is the “Prince of Peace” but He is also the King of kings, Lord of lords, the Almighty God, a mighty Warrior and He is the only Savior of mankind.
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 12:42 AM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?


They had been testing Him and here He turned the table by asking them just what they knew of the Messiah and as usual they failed their test and could no longer question Him. I believe His point being you don't discern the scriptures correctly so why then do you question my teachings. He makes it clear that He has power over all the earth and His enemy foremost. He says the Father will put His enemies under His feet meaning that He will become King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He must conquer His enemies because God can't live in relation to sinfulness and must therefore destroy it so that He can bring true peace in the world and then His people will be able to worship Him in spirit and truth.

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 01:10 AM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?"
<H3 style="MARGIN: auto 0in">The Messiah Is Greater than David (110:1)</H3>It is Jesus himself who pointed to this psalm as one that refers to the Messiah:

How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world?
He says the Father will put His enemies under His feet meaning that He will become King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He must conquer His enemies because God can't live in relation to sinfulness and must therefore destroy it so that He can bring true peace in the world and then His people will be able to worship Him in spirit and truth.


How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace.
Jesus is the Prince of Peace. He loves us and wants peace for us. However, there is not peace for those who will not accept Jesus as Savior.





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Posted 08 November 2007 - 01:10 AM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?"
<H3 style="MARGIN: auto 0in">The Messiah Is Greater than David (110:1)</H3>It is Jesus himself who pointed to this psalm as one that refers to the Messiah:

How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world?
He says the Father will put His enemies under His feet meaning that He will become King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He must conquer His enemies because God can't live in relation to sinfulness and must therefore destroy it so that He can bring true peace in the world and then His people will be able to worship Him in spirit and truth.


How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace.
Jesus is the Prince of Peace. He loves us and wants peace for us. However, there is not peace for those who will not accept Jesus as Savior.





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Posted 09 November 2007 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 18 2007, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?


1. Jesus asked this question as a test. He wanted them to know that there was someone greater than David who was the true Messiah.

2. Jesus was greater, even though he was a spirit.

3. The Warrior-King would lead his mighty army to conquer the world and the Priest would reign in peace forever.

4. Jesus would pursue his enemies and save his people who will live in peace forever.
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Posted 09 November 2007 - 09:43 PM

Jesus asks this question because he knows that by their reasoning they have no answer for why David would call him Lord.

The point was that the Pharisees couldn't comprehend God's plan. God hadn't revealed it to them.

Jesus is King and will return to destroy the enemy. He is also the mediator between mankind and God.

When Jesus died on the cross and the veil of the temple was ripped, that allowed us access to God. That is our peace and he is the Prince of Peace. He will also conquer and judge the enemy. That is God's will for him and he will fulfill it.
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Posted 10 November 2007 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 18 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?


Some of the old Testament passages such as 2 Samuel 7: 12-16, Ps 89.3 etc. said the Messiah would come from David Royal line.

I think Jesus asked the Pharisees the Question to see if they fully understood the Psalm.

The point Jesus was trying to make, was that David was speaking of someone greater than himself. Since no ordinary son of David could be greater than him.

Jesus combine the roles of warrior-King and priest in his ministry to us, he will be the head of a might army,and will act as a mediator between man and God to atone for man's sins. Only when we understand Jesus as the Suffering Servant, who bore our sins and carried our iniquities, can we understand how Jesus served as a priest to bring us to God.

Jesus as "Prince of Peace' The Savior King is in battle, and the Father is His sheild at His right hand, he will crush kings on the day of his wrath and will judge the nation, heaping up the dead.
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Post icon  Posted 11 November 2007 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Aug 18 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?

The Jews in Jesus time saw this Psalm as Messanic the Messiah's kingdom will extend far beyond the boundaries of Israel, resist by the enemies, but will extend by force with Jesus at the head. The point Jesus is making is it can't be anyone from the earth-an external priest. Because Melchizedek's was both king of Jersalem and priest of the most high God. The writer of Hebrews sees Melchizedek as a type of Christ combining the roles king and priests different than ever before and acts as a mediator between man and God. The Warrior-Messiah goes to war in the Battle of Armageddon and rests drinking at the brook to refresh himself and looks forward to another.
In His holy and peaceful hands I remain until we meet again,

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 10:24 PM

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 10:25 PM

Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1 of Psalm 110 because He wanted to demonstrate that, in reality (and unlike what they believed), Jesus was much greater then David or even as One succeeding from the Davidic line of the kings of Israel for He is the Messiah—the King, the Priest (after a new lineage of the priest, after the order of Melchizedek), and the Prophet (or The Word of God who came in the flesh to this world). He was after David’s lineage but much greater then David or any other human being, and David recognized this fact when he bowed down before Him and called Him Lord. The point Jesus was making is also that Jesus is God The Son (which the Pharisees and most of the Jews refused to believe) whom their Jewish forefathers, including David, bowed down to worship and praise Him as the Messiah Son of God.
Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world in His First Coming in His death and resurrection as our High Priest; and when He comes again, in His Second Coming, He will be our High Priest when He takes us believers home to be with Him in heavenly glory, and as the Warrior-King as He completely destroys all of His enemies, kings and important people as well as the small, unimportant ones who don’t believe and trust in Him as their Lord and Savior; and all the people from everywhere (even in their graves) will bow down once-for-all times to Him and call Him King of kings and Lord of lords (Philippians 2:8-11). There will be the “great separation” of the wheat (believers) and the chaff (nonbelievers at that time), but all the people will still bow down to Him as their King even though it will be too late then for the unbelievers to go to heaven with the believers in Him! This is how I, from what the Holy Bible says, reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace" because He is only the “Prince of Peace” to those who know Him personally as our Lord and Savior (the “wheat”); and He is the Warrior-King as He violently wipes out all of His enemies (the “chaff”), destroying all of them and they will go to their final destination which is hell (the “Lake of Fire”). The Bible shows that the Lord Jesus is both the Prince of Peace to His children as well as the Warrior-King over all of His enemies. Praise God the Son that He took all of God the Father’s wrath for our sins upon Himself and we believers no longer have to face a Christ-less eternity in hell!!!!!! Amen!

P.S. I like the other footnoted version of this verse in the NIV that states: “Or/The One who grants succession will set him in authority.” Namely, that God The Father will grant succession to the full authority of Christ Jesus as The King of kings and the Lord of lords!!!! Amen!

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 01:31 PM

Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?

Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?"

* They saw the Messiah in purely human terms, as a physical descendent of David, and thus inferior to David. Jesus' question, based on his careful understanding of this psalm, revealed the "greater than David" nature of the Messiah.

What point was Jesus making?

* That they were not looking at things in the spirit, but at the fleshly things. They did not want a true King born of God, but one born of the flesh. They wanted to keep their rule over man and to sit beside him as rulers and in the way that Jesus was teaching they were come to nothing but mere men.

How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world?

* Jesus shall not only be a King, but a Priest. He is God's Minister to us, and our Advocate with the Father, and so is the Mediator between God and man. He is a Priest of the order of Melchizedek, which was before that of Aaron, and on many accounts superior to it, and a more lively representation of Christ's priesthood.

How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"?

* Christ's sitting at the right hand of God, speaks as much terror to his enemies as happiness to his people. The effect of this victory shall be the utter ruin of his enemies. We have here the Redeemer saving his friends, and comforting them.


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