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Q1. Adultery, Lus+, and Coveting

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Posted 20 December 2007 - 03:09 AM

Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?
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Post icon  Posted 25 January 2008 - 02:34 AM

Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and ****?

Adultery is breaking the vow of marriage by having voluntary sexual intercourse with someone other than his or her lawful spouse. **** is an uncontrolled appetite, a craving for a pleasure of this unsatisfied desire. They both are submission to self desire. They both are self desires for power control. Jesus said: “ For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defileth not a man.

It appears from scripture that **** will drag you into fornication. James says it is enticing and will lead to death.

Proverbs 6::25 **** not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

James 1:14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own ****, and enticed. Then when **** hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death

What is the difference? I don’t think there is a difference. If so, Jesus would be breaking one of God’s rule of not adding to or taking away from His word.

How does **** break the Tenth Commandment? Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's. I think it all begins in the eye and follows right to the heart. It is a desire of the heart, once it becomes seen with the eye. It might not even be beauty that attracts, it might be a smooth talker. We should all be content in what we have and not greedy for what we do not have.

Possessions do not satisfy us but only for a short while. God can supply all of our needs out of His riches, so it’s not like we don’t have something. Faith is a substance of something we do not see or have. If we want for something, we just need to petition Father. Even David would have been given Bathsheba if he would have asked. But he didn’t. If we want something that isn’t ours and it belongs to someone else, there is something deeper than just greed going on. Perhaps a resentment attitude that someone has something that we don’t have and that attitude needs prayer.

"Prayer is the spirit, speaking truth to truth". Philip James Bailey
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Post icon  Posted 27 January 2008 - 12:21 AM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 20 2007, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?


The Old Testament law said it is wrong for a person to have sex with some one other than his or her spouse. But Jesus said that the desire to have sex with someone other than your spose is mental adultery ( fornication ) and thus sin. Jesus emphasized that if the act is wrong, then so is the intention . To be faithful to your spouse with your body but not your mind is to break the trust so vital to a strong marriage. Jesus is not condeming natural interest in the opposite sex or even healthy sexual desire, but the deliberate and repeated filling of one's mind with fantasies that would be evil if acted out. ( Romans 12 : 2 ) Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is-- His good , pleasing and perfect will. )

Some think that if lustful thoughts are sin, why shouldn't a person go ahead and do the lustful actions too? Acting out sinful desires is harmful in several ways: ( 1 ) it causes people to excuse sin rather than to stop sinning: ( 2 ) it destroys marrages : ( 3 ) it is deliberate rebellion against Gos's Word. (4 ) it always hurts someone else in addition to the sinner. Sinful action is more dangerous than sinful desire . and that is why desires should not be acted out. Nevertheless, sinful desires is just as damaging to righteousness. Left unchecked , wrong desires will result in wrong actions and turn people away from God.

( Exodus 20: 17 ) You shal not covet/ your neighbor's house.You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

( Exodus 20 : 14 ) You shall not commit adultry. ( Math. 5 : 27 ) You have heard that it was said, Do not commit adultry. ( 28 ) but I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultry with her in his heart.

Sex outside of the marriage with a partner is lustful and considered fornication and a sinful act in the eyes of God. **** breaking the tenth commandment is desiring something that belongs to someone else. Remember David's lustful heart caused him to murder to get what he wanted.




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Posted 27 January 2008 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE(Tabatha @ Jan 27 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Old Testament law said it is wrong for a person to have sex with some one other than his or her spouse. But Jesus said that the desire to have sex with someone other than your spose is mental adultery ( fornication ) and thus sin. Jesus emphasized that if the act is wrong, then so is the intention . To be faithful to your spouse with your body but not your mind is to break the trust so vital to a strong marriage. Jesus is not condeming natural interest in the opposite sex or even healthy sexual desire, but the deliberate and repeated filling of one's mind with fantasies that would be evil if acted out. ( Romans 12 : 2 ) Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is-- His good , pleasing and perfect will. )

Some think that if lustful thoughts are sin, why shouldn't a person go ahead and do the lustful actions too? Acting out sinful desires is harmful in several ways: ( 1 ) it causes people to excuse sin rather than to stop sinning: ( 2 ) it destroys marrages : ( 3 ) it is deliberate rebellion against God's Word. (4 ) it always hurts someone else in addition to the sinner. Sinful action is more dangerous than sinful desire . and that is why desires should not be acted out. Nevertheless, sinful desires is just as damaging to righteousness. Left unchecked , wrong desires will result in wrong actions and turn people away from God.

( Exodus 20: 17 ) You shall not covet/ your neighbor's house.You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

( Exodus 20 : 14 ) You shall not commit adultry. ( Math. 5 : 27 ) You have heard that it was said, Do not commit adultry. ( 28 ) but I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultry with her in his heart.

Sex outside of the marriage with a partner is lustful and considered fornication and a sinful act in the eyes of God. **** breaking the tenth commandment is desiring something that belongs to someone else. Remember David's lustful heart caused him to murder to get what he wanted.


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Posted 31 January 2008 - 08:39 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 19 2007, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?


1. Adultery and **** are basicly the same as far as sin is concerned.

2. The Bible has made it very clear how wrong it is to commit either of these. If your heart is pure, you wouldn't commit either of these sins. Being married should keep you from ******* after anyone. Keeping your mind on God should keep you from *******.

3. You should not be looking at anyone or anything with desire. You shouldn't be wishing for things lustfully that don't belong to you. Even if you don't do or say anything, you are sinning within your heart.
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Posted 02 February 2008 - 01:13 PM

In short: Adultery is giving away what was promised to another. **** is apprehending what belongs to another.
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Posted 02 February 2008 - 04:33 PM

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What is the point of similarity between adultery and ****?



The many lusts of the flesh, the passions and desires of the heart, often cloud the force of reason and leave us destitute of rational behavior and bereft of godliness and faithfulness. What many students of the Word fail to perceive is that not all "****" (in the negative sense of that term) is sexual in nature.

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What is the difference?



[size="3"]The of the **** flesh and the **** of the eyes" (1 John 2:16) may frequently involve asexual passions and desires.






How does **** break the Tenth Commandment?

We must acknowledge that one can indeed look desirously upon a woman and "commit adultery in his heart" and have that "longing" and "adultery" be entirely NON-sexual in nature. Thus, those who declare that adultery is always and only an illicit sexual act are proclaiming more than Jesus did. Indeed, they proclaim a falsehood. The Contemporary English Version has done an excellent job of capturing the meaning of Jesus' words in the Matthew 5:27-28 passage --- "You know the commandment which says, 'Be faithful in marriage.' But I tell you that if you look at another woman and want her, you are already unfaithful in your thoughts." There are many ways to "want" a woman other than sexually, and there are many ways to be "unfaithful in marriage" besides committing some illicit sexual act with one other than one's spouse


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Posted 02 February 2008 - 08:53 PM

Q1. What is the point of similarity between adultery and ****? What is the difference? How does **** break the 10th Commandment?

The point of similarity between adultery and **** is that we, in our human state “Desire, or delight in” being with one of the opposite sex. What we desire in our humanness is not of God. Even the idea of overly desiring anything is considered adultery in God’s eye, because our eyes are not on Him.

The only difference between adultery and **** is that adultery—the act is done, in ****—it is thought. But in God’s eyes there is no difference—adultery and **** are both the same. Whenever we hear the phrase “The grass is greener on the other side of the fence”, or “keeping up with the Joneses”, we are committing a sin in God’s eye. By keeping our eyes on God, He will guide us. God wants us to “desire after Him, not the things of the world.” He is a jealous God, and wants to provide for us our every need even those sexual needs

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 10:09 PM

Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?

The point of similarity is that the one leads to the other when allowed to grow and permagate in the heart. The diffearance is that when **** is placed in the heart by satin we have the opprotunity of giving it up to God and allowing Him to cleanse our hearts and save us from unrighteousness. ******* breaks the Tenth Commandment when we allow it to grow in our hearts and it leads to sin and then death. We are told by Christ to **** is sin and we must seek His strength through prayer and our Christian family to over come it. Anyone can be drawn into lustful sin including our own leaders and pastors if they aren't prayed for and help to overcome the devils stumbling block. We are to seek Christ and His righteousness and in doing that we can learn to over comethe devil's traps of ****.
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Post icon  Posted 02 February 2008 - 10:30 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 19 2007, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?


The point of similarity between adultry and **** is, according to Jesus, this is a form of adultry even if it is only in your heart. There is no difference, **** of the flesh is **** of the flesh. The way it breaks the 10 Commamdments is, this is a sin against God, as well as against the marriage partner. It also is breaking God's commandments inwardly is equivalent to breaking this commandment outwardly.
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Posted 02 February 2008 - 11:43 PM

Boiled down to it’s most simply form or meaning, to "lus+" after something is to covet, to desire, to delight in something which is not for you to have. To "lus+" after another woman is to covet with an “inordinate, ungoverned selfish desire” that which is not yours. This translates into spiritual adultery which can lead to the physical action of adultery. This would constitute a breaking of the tenth commandment in your heart and soul even if you never performed the outward action.
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Post icon  Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:37 AM

Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and ****? Sin

What is the difference?
Adultery is breaking the 10th commanment by physically acting out ****. -- ****, is the desire to commit the act of adultery, even if you cannot do it physically.

How does **** break the Tenth Commandment?
Don't think we are safe because we have not done the external act, **** uncontrolled, leads to a path far worse, God see's our hearts and our motivations, are they pure or not. Think on those good things and not open doors to Satan, for he is out to destroy the believer.

I do not believe God is talking about a person finding pleasure in looking at a good looking man, or a beautiful woman, it is that deliberate act to go after, to "**** after" the other person, for sexual pleasure. The world today see's no problem with adultery, and certainly not with attending "strip joints" -- but God has a law, it is for our good He warns us as we see in -- 2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 11:19 AM

Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and ****? What is the difference? How does **** break the Tenth Commandment?
The point of similarity between adultery and **** is that both are sin against God’s law.
In Exodus 20:14 The Old Testament Law said that it is wrong for a person to have sex with someone other than his or her spouse. But Jesus said that the desire to have sex with someone other than your spouse is mentally adultery and thus is sin. If the act is wrong , then also the intention.
The difference between adultery and **** is that, adultery is the act and **** is the intention.
**** breaks the Tenth Commandment in that it will lead you to commit adultery.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 20 2007, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?

**** will lead to adultery. **** is in the mind and adultery is the act. Jesus said to **** after a person in your mind, one has already committed adultery in his heart.


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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:30 PM

The similarity us that both come from the heart and you are breaking you vows to each other.
The difference is on was actually done while the other was just thought about..both can lead to heartbreak for your spouse.
I think that **** also breaks the commandment because it comes from your heart and thus deception and unclean.
One must keep true to yourself and your spouse if you want to have a happy marriage and show your love for each other.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 20 2007, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?



Lus+ is the mental act . Adultery is the physical act of sex outside of marriage which breaks the tenth commandment
Thou shall not covet thy neighbous wife . The thoughts of our heart need to be holy and pure , it is a dailly battle with the world, flesh and the devil
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:49 PM

The similartity between adultery and **** is that they are both desires, one committed, the other a hunger. To God, our heart is who we are and whether we want to obtain a lustful desire or we actually do the intent, the result is the same, sin. It is why we have to take every thought and put it under subjection of the Holy Spirit and if evil, cast it down before it does us.
The 10th Commandment is about covetnessess. **** is the same. It is about the wantoness of the flesh.
Apparently the Lord does not want us to write down the 2nd word of the subject: Adultery, ****, and Coveting.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Dec 19 2007, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q1. (Matthew 5:27-30; Exodus 20:17) What is the point of similarity between adultery and lus+? What is the difference? How does lus+ break the Tenth Commandment?


Matt. 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. (NIV)
Adultery is merely the end result of continued ****. The desire of the heart is what is most often fullfilled by our actions, and if left unfullfilled the emptiness which remains is filled with bitterness, jealousy, eny, and hate.

Service had just began and as usual the pastor asked if there were any prayer requests. One of the Sunday School teachers requested prayer for a family who had little food left to make it through to the end of the month. As the congregation began to pray all I could think about was how hungry those five children must be. So I tapped my wife on the shoulder and pointed to the door.
We left, went home, and made a quick shopping list. And as we were driving to the store I noticed the new pick-up trucks with boats hitched to the back of them waiting for church to be out so they could be driven to the river. So I told my wife to stop. I said look around. This is what we give up when we do things like this. Are you sure you still want to do this? With no thought at all she said, "Yes."
We loaded the back of our van full of groceries and delivered them to the family. I will never forget the expression of that little five year old girl when she said, "Wow, Is all this for us?"

We all desire somthing and it is our actions which point to that desire.
James 3:13-18
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. 17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. (NIV)
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 06:19 PM

What have adultery and **** have to do with God? God put us together to create union with a partner and Himself. Adultery and **** exclude God totally. The choice is back to Loving God and Your Neighbour in the spirit and then translating it into action. The tenth commandment is violated in this. God is insulted. God meets your needs and if you look at your neighbour and desires his you are saying to God - that He does not care for you.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE(s8nfighter @ Feb 3 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Matt. 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. (NIV)
Adultery is merely the end result of continued ****. The desire of the heart is what is most often fullfilled by our actions, and if left unfullfilled the emptiness which remains is filled with bitterness, jealousy, eny, and hate.

Service had just began and as usual the pastor asked if there were any prayer requests. One of the Sunday School teachers requested prayer for a family who had little food left to make it through to the end of the month. As the congregation began to pray all I could think about was how hungry those five children must be. So I tapped my wife on the shoulder and pointed to the door.
We left, went home, and made a quick shopping list. And as we were driving to the store I noticed the new pick-up trucks with boats hitched to the back of them waiting for church to be out so they could be driven to the river. So I told my wife to stop. I said look around. This is what we give up when we do things like this. Are you sure you still want to do this? With no thought at all she said, "Yes."
We loaded the back of our van full of groceries and delivered them to the family. I will never forget the expression of that little five year old girl when she said, "Wow, Is all this for us?"

We all desire somthing and it is our actions which point to that desire.
James 3:13-18
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. 17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. (NIV)


Your message really touched my heart thank you s8nfighter ( Tabatha )
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