stsandy Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Only when we are totally honest with our selves ( to thine own self be true) are we able to be honest with God and be truley repentant. To exagerate or belittle would be less than honest and therefore would be treated with contempt. Honesty is as much a part of holiness as is piety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Truth Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Q2. In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? No, David does the exact oppsite. Even more so to acknowledge he sinned against GOD and not just to Uriah and Bathsheba. To maximize them? I'd say he does maximize them. On the other hand can you even do than? I say that because David doesn't just use one word to desribe how he feel but mulitple words to describe his sins and transgressions, etc. Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? So that one can truly understand what they've done and and to truly repent from it. It's almost like the story in Acts. The couple secertly kept money from the selling of the land. And they died becuase of it. Well if sin was that money you better give it ALL up and not try to "trick" God that you're not really ready to repent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winevine03 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 No, David does not seek to minimize his sins, in fact he verbally supplies different synonums to express them to God, the God his sin is foremost against. I think yes to maximize them. By his choice of wording, I think David is relating to God he is finally willing to take the heat, and yes, that he is fully aware of his sin, tansgression, iniquity, and evil, and is making that realization known to God, who needs to hear it, as much as David needs to confess it. You can't fool God. He knows when your not genuine, even if you don't know yourself that your not being genuine. David has known and experienced the love of God for much too long to try to get away with something, it is just not in his nature, and he knows God is not deserving of a fake; nor will he accept a fake confession. God wants to forgive us, after we have fully admitted and acknowledged the sin and the wretched motives behind the sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helenmm Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 David neither seeks to dramatise (maximise) his sins, nor to discount (minimise) them. To do so would be to re-offend the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. All sins will be forgiven, except those that offend the Holy Spirit. Reconciliation with God is a very fine line of Truth (the sword that divides between bone and marrow, the truth and the lie). This is why so few will actually enter the Kingdom. David is fully aware of the need to again become fine-tuned to the Holy Spirit (Yahweh). He cannot bear his own sin and the separation it has caused. It is the Truth that sets us free, and there is no freedom without it. Truth is undramatised, unwavering, unvarnished, ungarnished, eternal, holy, unchangeable, Life, Light. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. Let us not imagine that we can kid God! What foolishness that would be! Our God is longsuffering with us and waits eagerly,patiently until we get to the truth. But He will not wait forever. There comes a time of reckoning. But the angels in Heaven rejoice over one sinner that repents! How passionate is our God in the waiting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grace Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 In his prayer, does David seek to minimize his sins? to maximize them? Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear,unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? 1.No, David does not seek to minimize his sin. He openly declares sin in his life for what it is - SIN. He knows that he cannot cover sin, for he that covereth sin shall not prosper. He takes full responsibility for it. 2. Nor does he seek to maximize them ;he has no desire to flaunt his sin inthe face of God, as he cries out to God not to take the Holy Spirit from him. 3. An authentic prayer for pardon requires a clear acknowledgement of sin, because God says in Jeremiah that our sins have separated between us and our God, that he will not hear. But he that confesseth and forsaketh his sins shall find mercy. Then we have the wonderful assurance that , "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandieh Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 David does not seek to minimize his sin. Nor does he maximize them. He sees it for what it is, and calls it just that. And acknowledging his failure and how awful it is, he sincerely repents. Sin is sin. It is wrong and against God. And trying to whitewash it, wont change it. Oh God, I want you to cleanse me, wash me, blot out all my sinfulness! I want a heart after Davids heart!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? No To maximize them? David is simply voicing the awfulness of sin, any sin Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? Otherwise we treat sin like it is nothing much and don't or won't comprehend the awfulness of it . It is just mouthing words hoping to avoid any consequences and to make ourselves feel better with a quick easy fix. There is no quick easy fix to sin. God does not take any sin lightly and the "slightest" sin separates us from God so it is not so slight as we would like to pass it off as. God Bless! Jen Numbers 6:24-26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newborn Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Q2. In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? David acknowledges all his sins. He doesn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godsanointed523 Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 In his prayers does david seek to minmize his isns? To maximize them? No he wants God to recognize that without him we would be nothing. He wants God to give him a clean heart worthy of God. All the sins that he committed will in a way be in His mind but David wants a broken spirit worthy to god who created Him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonya A Miller Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Q2. In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? David neither minimizes nor maximizes his sins; he owns up to them fully before God. Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? We need to own up to our sin and the awfulness of it. We must acknowledge that we've offended God and seek His pardon, then God forgives. From Psalms 130:7 - "hope in the Lord; for he is loving and kind, and comes to us with armloads of salvation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Ann Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? David neither tries to minimize or maximize his sin. He has reached a point where he knows he must be totally honest with God and ask for the forgiveness he needs. God doesn't want to hear our excusses. He wants to hear our honest admissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candygoo58 Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Q2. In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? No, he acknowledges his sins. He doesn't mimimize or maximize them. He calls them what they are. Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? If we don't ackowledge are sins for what they are we are not really sorry for them. Only when we see them for what they are can we truly repent of them and be fogiven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennLady01 Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Q2. In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? No, David knows God has seen the sin so why try to make light of it. To maximize them? No, he has a heart to repent and he knows that he has sinned against God and him only he said he had sinned against. Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgment of sin to be effective? You have to know and understand that God sees all things and David knew that God saw his sin and yes you do have to confess your sins and repent of them. Confession comes before forgiveness. Then it is clear to you what you have done wrong and God knows you understand that and will forgive you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee trainor Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 David just tells it like it is. He knows that he doesn't have to minimize or mazimze what he has done. God already knows exactly what he did. David knows that God can look into his heart and see his sins, so why bother going to the trouble of making them seem small or large. I think that this also answers the question of having a prayer for pardon contain clear, precise acknowldgement of sin to be effective, you have to be willing to lay everything on the line to our heavenly father, because he already knows how you feel, and if you are being sincere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajtmaestro71 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Q2. In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? David lays his sins completely bare. This was a wise choice on his part because God knows everything. He exposed his own sins as they were, no more, no less. In order for our prayer for pardon to be answered, we must be honest with God so He can take the steps to restore us to fellowship with Him. Making excuses or minimizing our sins or justifying them I think displeases God tremendously and thus delays our receiving forgiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Stanley Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 To me, David is only going to God,asking forgiveness of his sin.He is telling God he knows his sin was great,and that his sin hurt others,causing death.David also new he sinned against God.David was truly sorry and wanted to be cleansed,so his sins wouldnt seperate him from God. David did not hide his sin from God,he acknowledged,and confessed everything to God.In order to be forgiven I believe you have to take all the sin to God,not just part of it.You can't make excuses for your sin.God knows everything I have ever done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob E Jones Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? No David acknowledges his sin and accepts responsibility for them. Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? As long as we try to justify our sin and make excuses, rationalize our sins to make them seem somewhat less guilt-worthy, then we have not confessed our sins to God in the way that is essential for repentance. We must take responsibility for our sin and our actions, call it what it really is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffg Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 hi David's prayer is an honest assessment of his actions and his sinfulness before God. If we underestimate our sinfulness or excuse ourselves we have not truly confessed our sins. When we acknowledge our sins and our sinfulness we are then in a position to recieve God's forgiveness. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Smith Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 David had no need to either minimize or maximize his sin. If we are "confessing" to a human friend there might be the temptation to minimze (so that we will appear less sinful) or maximize (perhaps for shock value or to gain more admiration for our contrition). But God knows the unvarnished truth. He saw every act and knew every intent of the heart as we committed the sin. No point trying to impress Him either way. Nothing is hidden from him. True repentance is seeing our sin from God's point of view and determining to flee from that sin in the future because of the pain we have caused Him. Does a prayer of repentance require faith? Indeed it does. To lay our own wickedness out before a Holy righteous God could be a very fearful thing. But we know from His Word that "if we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" I Jn 1:9. We develop faith by reading the Word of God. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God". Rom 10:17. If we have established an ongoing relationship with the Lord, we have, no doubt, seen many examples of His love and mercy toward us in the past. And finally, if the Holy Spirit lives within us (and He does if we accept Jesus personally as Savior and Lord) He will lead us into all truth and nourish our faith. In fact, "no one can [even]say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit"! It is the Holy Spirit, Himself, who comes along side to help us in times like this and especially in prayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revking88 Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 No, he acknowledges his sin using several different synonyms. He is apologetic and wants to make things right between himself and God. Yes, he is admitting all of his sin. He doesn't try to blame his sinning on anyone or anything, no outside reasons. He owns up to all that he has done. Because it helps the person realize the gravity of the sin. In this type of prayer you are pouring your true heart to God. You are being honest with yourself and with God and you are accepting responsibility for your own sin and your own actions. TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonshine777 Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? David does not minimize or maximize his sin! He acknowledges to God his sin for what it is. If one is willing to confess to sin, then one is willing to let go of the sinful behavior and hence be ready to receive God's grace and mercy. - Hallelujiah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEIRDRE INAMDAR Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Q2. In his prayer does David seek to minimize his sins? To maximize them? Why does an authentic prayer for pardon require clear, unvarnished acknowledgement of sin to be effective? David does not minimize or maximize his sin.He acknowledges his sin and realises that he has offended God. To receive forgiveness and be restored into a right relationship with God we need to call sin sin.God forgives a truly repentant heart,as His word says in 1John1:9 He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.God forgives sin and not excuses.Excuses are made to justify our sin,and so we cannot gloss over sin and hope to be forgiven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder9 Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 David is GODLY sorrowing in his rebellion against his GOD. He doesn't mince words neither, knowing that GOD know's all things (not like Cain) he didn't try to minimize nor hide his sin. David clearly spelled out discriptively what he had done, pains takingly discribing in language plain an simple the magnitude of his transgression, mainly towards the GOD that he loves, but I don't think limiting it by neglecting the husband & wife he sinned against as well. One cannot generalize a request for "pardon". One needs to be specific of their offences not savoring in them but agonizingly bringing to bear the truth of its effects on relationships and emotions. David declares the pain it must have caused GOD to see His Servant King flaunt his authority in GOD's face. So for that reason david left no doubts to anyone who would read his account, of his actual sinful actions against GOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 A. No No We must be willing to acknowledge our sins and be willing to take responsibilty for our actions. In other words, to tell it like it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda bass Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 David doesn't minimizes his sin. He owns up to it fully before God Neither does he maximize his sin. He is affirming that he is sinful through and through. We need to realize that all sin is ultimately against God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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