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Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
Q4. Timothy, Come Before Winter
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 11:41 PM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
Paul asked Timothy to bring his cloak, which will keep him warm during the winter months. If Timothy delays, then he will not be able to get to Paul because the Mediterranean will be closed soon, and travel will be impossible.
I think Timothy dropped everything and did what Paul asked him to do-I would have! To be able to serve Paul would have been the next best thing to seving Jesus! A true honor!
Paul asked Timothy to bring his cloak, which will keep him warm during the winter months. If Timothy delays, then he will not be able to get to Paul because the Mediterranean will be closed soon, and travel will be impossible.
I think Timothy dropped everything and did what Paul asked him to do-I would have! To be able to serve Paul would have been the next best thing to seving Jesus! A true honor!
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 06:46 PM
the window of opportunity for travel would soon close/paul had need for his cloak
a missed opportunity to serve
i hope he did
i hope i would have--not too tied down with things here....
a missed opportunity to serve
i hope he did
i hope i would have--not too tied down with things here....
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Posted 23 March 2009 - 04:27 PM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter?
If he delayed, Paul might not live through the cold winter and weather would force Timothy to postpone the journey until Spring. Paul needed his cloak and parchments, but it seems that Paul needed the warmth, love and connection with his dear son in the faith, and I think, the reassurance of speaking to Timothy perhaps one last time, face to face, as his time on earth was at the end....to die knowing that Timothy was sound in faith and doctrine and would stand fast at his post, to say goodbye, and to impart personal words to Timothy alone, rather than in a parchment to the Church. Perhaps this is why he asked him to bring John Mark as well.
What happens if Timothy delays?
Since nearly everyone had deserted Paul, he had no provision against the cold. Paul wanted to gather and distribute his parchments while he was alive...tying up loose ends. He might have died alone without the comfort of a loving farewell to his "son", as well as to John Mark who had deserted him early on, but was now a trusted friend and co-laborer in the Gospel.
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
I do. I don't think wild horses could have stopped him from allowing Paul this one last pleasure on earth, and the knowledge that he is the one Paul is depending on and wanting to feast his dying eyes upon. I think Timothy would want to hear Paul's last words and his voice once more.
Would you, if you were Timothy?
I would! I would have wanted that same touch and reassurance that Paul continually gave Timothy in order to stand firm, and I would have wanted to try to fulfill Paul's dying "wish"...(I love that he didn't command him to come. Paul allowed freedom in his disciples, as Jesus does, rather than trying to dominate and control them as a cult figure might do.) It would be as if a beloved parent was in a hospital bed knowing their time was short and asking me to try to get there before it's too late to say goodbye and knowing there may be something critically important they want to say before dying.....
If he delayed, Paul might not live through the cold winter and weather would force Timothy to postpone the journey until Spring. Paul needed his cloak and parchments, but it seems that Paul needed the warmth, love and connection with his dear son in the faith, and I think, the reassurance of speaking to Timothy perhaps one last time, face to face, as his time on earth was at the end....to die knowing that Timothy was sound in faith and doctrine and would stand fast at his post, to say goodbye, and to impart personal words to Timothy alone, rather than in a parchment to the Church. Perhaps this is why he asked him to bring John Mark as well.
What happens if Timothy delays?
Since nearly everyone had deserted Paul, he had no provision against the cold. Paul wanted to gather and distribute his parchments while he was alive...tying up loose ends. He might have died alone without the comfort of a loving farewell to his "son", as well as to John Mark who had deserted him early on, but was now a trusted friend and co-laborer in the Gospel.
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
I do. I don't think wild horses could have stopped him from allowing Paul this one last pleasure on earth, and the knowledge that he is the one Paul is depending on and wanting to feast his dying eyes upon. I think Timothy would want to hear Paul's last words and his voice once more.
Would you, if you were Timothy?
I would! I would have wanted that same touch and reassurance that Paul continually gave Timothy in order to stand firm, and I would have wanted to try to fulfill Paul's dying "wish"...(I love that he didn't command him to come. Paul allowed freedom in his disciples, as Jesus does, rather than trying to dominate and control them as a cult figure might do.) It would be as if a beloved parent was in a hospital bed knowing their time was short and asking me to try to get there before it's too late to say goodbye and knowing there may be something critically important they want to say before dying.....
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Posted 23 March 2009 - 08:23 PM
Paul really needed Timothy to come before winter in order that his travel (Timothy’s) might be easier and Paul really needed his coat and books. He also could use Timothy’s presence just to help cheer him up. I think Timothy would have tried his best to do as Paul requested. I would hope that I would have done the same.
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Posted 24 March 2009 - 09:25 AM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
I don't know that we can find this in scripture but I would agree with pastor that it might have to do with the time of year,weather, or the timing of paul's death. I would again have to guess but he would possibly not get to Paul before he is excuted. I can only say that I hope Timothy got their in time I often wonder why there is no letter from Timothy is scripture but that is the only way we would know for sure. I would again hope that Iwould do my best toget there but we can never know for sure.
I don't know that we can find this in scripture but I would agree with pastor that it might have to do with the time of year,weather, or the timing of paul's death. I would again have to guess but he would possibly not get to Paul before he is excuted. I can only say that I hope Timothy got their in time I often wonder why there is no letter from Timothy is scripture but that is the only way we would know for sure. I would again hope that Iwould do my best toget there but we can never know for sure.
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 10:08 AM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
Probably because of the dangers of the navigation then, and because the circumstances of the apostle were such as to demand the presence of a friend.
Whether Timothy saw the apostle before he was martyred is not known.
If I were me am not very sure if I could have dropped everything and rushed to Paul. The persecutions was very high and everyone was afraid
Probably because of the dangers of the navigation then, and because the circumstances of the apostle were such as to demand the presence of a friend.
Whether Timothy saw the apostle before he was martyred is not known.
If I were me am not very sure if I could have dropped everything and rushed to Paul. The persecutions was very high and everyone was afraid
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 11:16 AM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a)
Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter?
What happens if Timothy delays?
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
Would you, if you were Timothy?
The winter weather made travel very difficult or impossible. Paul needed Timothy’s presence and he had earlier in both 2 Tim 1:4 and 2 Tim 4:9 mentioned that he wanted Timothy to come to Rome soon. I feel Timothy is obliged to respond immediately and help his fellow believer. His other companions had deserted him and the apostle needs Timothy's help and deserves to be obeyed.
Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter?
What happens if Timothy delays?
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
Would you, if you were Timothy?
The winter weather made travel very difficult or impossible. Paul needed Timothy’s presence and he had earlier in both 2 Tim 1:4 and 2 Tim 4:9 mentioned that he wanted Timothy to come to Rome soon. I feel Timothy is obliged to respond immediately and help his fellow believer. His other companions had deserted him and the apostle needs Timothy's help and deserves to be obeyed.
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 11:05 PM
QUOTE (Pastor Ralph @ Feb 17 2009, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
It is important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter because travel became more difficult in winter because of storms, which caused the Mediterranean to be closed to shipping. So, if Timothy does not make haste, he will probably leave after winter.
If Timothy delays, he will not meet Paul again forever because Paul will have been executed, and he will lose the opportunity forever to assist Paul in his last days
Yes, I think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side. It is because he was a Paul’s very faithful associate and disciple, and he has a very close relationship with Paul, he with Paul is as a son with his father.
If I were Timothy, I hope I would have done the same
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 12:06 AM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter?
Paul is under sentence of death, which could be implemented anytime. He has been deserted by most of his friends who don't want also to be caught and imprisoned under Nero. Winter is approaching in the physical and metaphorical senses, and he needs his coat, and wants to work with his papers once again.
What happens if Timothy delays?
If Timothy delays, Paul will suffer dreadfully during the time he has left in prison in winter, feel even more isolated and deserted, and face death alone (apart from Jesus).
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
I certainly hope he did. Paul was his mentor from the very beginning and had invested much time and faith in Timothy. I think it was most important that Timothy be there for him at this time. This is what it means by respecting one's "parents" or elders, an it would be wrong to be slow in answering this call. Paul had often called him "son".
Would you, if you were Timothy?
I certainly hope that I would go. People are much more important than things, and Jesus was all about people. God is the God of relationships, and there was a very deep bonding between Paul and Timothy. Many blessings and much fruitfulness came of this relationship. I'd say it would be imperative to come in such circumstances. Jesus emphasised the importance of assisting prisoners, and there was no prisoner more valuable and important than Paul.
Paul is under sentence of death, which could be implemented anytime. He has been deserted by most of his friends who don't want also to be caught and imprisoned under Nero. Winter is approaching in the physical and metaphorical senses, and he needs his coat, and wants to work with his papers once again.
What happens if Timothy delays?
If Timothy delays, Paul will suffer dreadfully during the time he has left in prison in winter, feel even more isolated and deserted, and face death alone (apart from Jesus).
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
I certainly hope he did. Paul was his mentor from the very beginning and had invested much time and faith in Timothy. I think it was most important that Timothy be there for him at this time. This is what it means by respecting one's "parents" or elders, an it would be wrong to be slow in answering this call. Paul had often called him "son".
Would you, if you were Timothy?
I certainly hope that I would go. People are much more important than things, and Jesus was all about people. God is the God of relationships, and there was a very deep bonding between Paul and Timothy. Many blessings and much fruitfulness came of this relationship. I'd say it would be imperative to come in such circumstances. Jesus emphasised the importance of assisting prisoners, and there was no prisoner more valuable and important than Paul.
John 8:32 You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 05:34 AM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
It is important that Timothy travel before winter mainly because weather conditions in the area did not permit traveling at that time of year.I think Paul was also concerned that his death was imminent and he really wanted to see Timothy again.I think there was a father son relationship here and Paul was also his mentor.He also wanted his coat and paper work which I think he might want to hand over to Timothy in person.
I believe that Timothy would have dropped everything at the time knowing that it could be his last chance to see Paul.Also for the same reasons Paul had the parental thing .
I most definitely would if I were in timothy's place I think he also needed that final face to face inspiration that he knew Paul would offer.
It is important that Timothy travel before winter mainly because weather conditions in the area did not permit traveling at that time of year.I think Paul was also concerned that his death was imminent and he really wanted to see Timothy again.I think there was a father son relationship here and Paul was also his mentor.He also wanted his coat and paper work which I think he might want to hand over to Timothy in person.
I believe that Timothy would have dropped everything at the time knowing that it could be his last chance to see Paul.Also for the same reasons Paul had the parental thing .
I most definitely would if I were in timothy's place I think he also needed that final face to face inspiration that he knew Paul would offer.
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Posted 26 March 2009 - 04:40 PM
QUOTE (Pastor Ralph @ Feb 17 2009, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
Paul has strong feelings about wanting to see Timothy before Paul's death which could come soon. If he doesn't get there before winter, he may not be able to get through the winter conditions until Spring and this could be too late. I do think Timothy loved and honored Paul and dropped everything and went to Paul's side. I would go quickly if I were in Timothy's situation as delaying may be too late.
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Posted 27 March 2009 - 06:01 AM
There was a good cance that if Timothy could have missed the boat if he didn't hurry, and in this case, missing the boat meant missing his last opportunity to see Paul on Earth. I think that Paul wanted to gather his firends and family in Christ around him before he died. He wasn't in a bed, but he was on his death bed. We recently had a scare with my grandmother where it looked like she might pass, all the family was called together to see her for the last time. That's what Paul reminds me of in this passage.
I don't know how bereavement days worked back then, but I expect that Timothy took a year off to make the trip. I can't imagine him not. Would I have made the trip? Absolutely.
I don't know how bereavement days worked back then, but I expect that Timothy took a year off to make the trip. I can't imagine him not. Would I have made the trip? Absolutely.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:10 PM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
Paul must have been very lonely for Timothy and he must have been cold because he asked for his cloak. If Timothy delayed it would have been difficult or maybe impossible to travel in winter plus Paul needed his cloak and he desired his parchments. I believe Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul. I hope I would have if I were Timothy. There was a strong bond in the Lord between the two of them and that is a piece of heaven we have on this earth with each other.
God Bless!
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Numbers 6:24-26
Paul must have been very lonely for Timothy and he must have been cold because he asked for his cloak. If Timothy delayed it would have been difficult or maybe impossible to travel in winter plus Paul needed his cloak and he desired his parchments. I believe Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul. I hope I would have if I were Timothy. There was a strong bond in the Lord between the two of them and that is a piece of heaven we have on this earth with each other.
God Bless!
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 03:31 AM
QUOTE (Pastor Ralph @ Feb 17 2009, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
It is important for Timothy to get to Paul before winter because travel was impossibe and so Paul could be warm with the cloak. If Timothy delayed, he would not get to help Paul with the ministry. Yes, I think he dropped everything and went to Paul. Yes, I would.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:44 AM
When he wrote this Paul somehow felt that his time on earth was coming to an end soon. I am sure Paul would have asked the Lord in his prayers about the whole thing. Paul is the spiritual father to Timothy and obviously Paul knew the dangers of travel those days. In spite of that he was asking Timothy to come means something to think about. I am sure Timothy would have made every effort to go and see Paul. If that was God’s will then I am sure that would have happened. I would have taken every effort to do so as well.
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Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
It is important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter as travel became more difficult in winter due to storms that basically closed the Mediterranean. Ships wintered in safe harbors between November and March. If Timothy delays he may lose any opportunity to help Paul or see Paul in his last days before his execution.
We do not know based on scripture but I think Timothy would and so would I.
It is important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter as travel became more difficult in winter due to storms that basically closed the Mediterranean. Ships wintered in safe harbors between November and March. If Timothy delays he may lose any opportunity to help Paul or see Paul in his last days before his execution.
We do not know based on scripture but I think Timothy would and so would I.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:01 AM
QUOTE (Pastor Ralph @ Feb 17 2009, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
Travel during Winter is more difficult, because of ice, snow, and storms.
Because the way through the Mediterranean will soon be closed and Timothy will not be able to get through to Paul.
I would like to think that the Lord will keep me in my right mind, and I would drop everything and make my way immediately to Paul if I were Timothy.
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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:06 PM
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter?
Travel during the winter could be dangerous, it could bring injury or death, and most important, Paul needed to see Timothy soon.
What happens if Timothy delays?
A delay could put Timothy into danger, something Paul warned Timothy of, a danger Paul did not want his friend to have to face.
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
The scriptures do not tell us if Timothy did go, but, as Paul tells us, Timothy was a man of affection and of loyalty. Even though Timothy, as a young man, suffered from fearfulness, (with good cause) Paul tells us, Timothy was a man of character, and Timothy was as dear to Paul, as a son; So, I would have to answer “YES,” Timothy did drop everything and went to Paul’s side.
I see the fruit of the Spirit in Timothy, replacing the weaknesses that once had hold of him. The more Timothy exercised faith in God, the stronger he became, giving all praise to God, and to the Messiah, and from the strength, encouragement, given to Timothy from his great friend, Paul; who while yet in his time of need, was still caring about others, and that of the Word of God. What a lesson to us all, God calls us to encourage each other daily, while it is yet day.
Would you, if you were Timothy?
If I were Timothy - I would have to say, “Paul, I am coming today, I have your cloak and I found your books, and yes, I even found Mark John. See you soon my friend.”
Travel during the winter could be dangerous, it could bring injury or death, and most important, Paul needed to see Timothy soon.
What happens if Timothy delays?
A delay could put Timothy into danger, something Paul warned Timothy of, a danger Paul did not want his friend to have to face.
Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side?
The scriptures do not tell us if Timothy did go, but, as Paul tells us, Timothy was a man of affection and of loyalty. Even though Timothy, as a young man, suffered from fearfulness, (with good cause) Paul tells us, Timothy was a man of character, and Timothy was as dear to Paul, as a son; So, I would have to answer “YES,” Timothy did drop everything and went to Paul’s side.
I see the fruit of the Spirit in Timothy, replacing the weaknesses that once had hold of him. The more Timothy exercised faith in God, the stronger he became, giving all praise to God, and to the Messiah, and from the strength, encouragement, given to Timothy from his great friend, Paul; who while yet in his time of need, was still caring about others, and that of the Word of God. What a lesson to us all, God calls us to encourage each other daily, while it is yet day.
Would you, if you were Timothy?
If I were Timothy - I would have to say, “Paul, I am coming today, I have your cloak and I found your books, and yes, I even found Mark John. See you soon my friend.”
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 03:46 AM
QUOTE (Pastor Ralph @ Feb 17 2009, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Q4. (2 Timothy 4:21a) Why is it important to Paul for Timothy to come before winter? What happens if Timothy delays? Do you think Timothy dropped everything and came to Paul's side? Would you, if you were Timothy?
Timothy was wanted before winter because travel was delayed for months in the winter. Paul may hve wanted his coat before the cold weather hit.
Unless the spiritual priorities were greater where he was Timothy probably went. If he didn't I'm sure the pull was strong to want to comfort his father in the faith. If there was an open door I would hope I would go but that is easier said than done.