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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

Rebekah's deception cannot be excused regardless of her reasoning. Had Rebekah recalled God's promise to her regarding Jacob's supremacy over his brother should have given her comfort and peace to know that if God said it He would see it to fulfillment. Jacob does not show any modicum of integrity. Even though being goaded by his mother to pursue this deception, Jacob showed loyalty to mom rather than trusting God with his future.

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God had told Rebecca that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23).

23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger. Gen 25:23 (KJV)

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To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? And how much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

Rebecca knew what Isaacs was doing was wrong, he was doing it in secret, and Isaac was truly trying to stop God

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Well, for me it is always about being able to trust in the Lord and let things happen as he plans. Its hard to not step in and help it along. Mom's tend to do this for their children so they don't have to struggle or wait for what they want. Rebecca in this case did not trust in the Lord to let it happen his way and at his time frame. Even if she did tell her son they could have discussed it and said all will happen in the Lord's time and way. Instead they stepped in and took advantae of Esau weakness.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God's revelation to Rebekah was just that, a revelation not a command to take it upon herself to decieve, lie, and cheat others. Solomon said there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end it is the way of destruction. She hurt her entire family from her ungodly actions. There is no justification. God, within the bounds of His character, would have elevated Jacob into the leadership position. It was not Rebekah's place.

Isaac bears responsibility in that he too played favorites and alienated his wife. Husbands and wives must be on the same page or there is dysfunction within the relationship and family, which often causes much pain and hurt within the family. Bottomline: They are both responsible in Jacob's deception.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God's revelation to Rebekah was just that, a revelation not a command to take it upon herself to decieve, lie, and cheat others. Solomon said there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end it is the way of destruction. She hurt her entire family from her ungodly actions. There is no justification. God, within the bounds of His character, would have elevated Jacob into the leadership position. It was not Rebekah's place.

Isaac bears responsibility in that he too played favorites and alienated his wife. Husbands and wives must be on the same page or there is dysfunction within the relationship and family, which often causes much pain and hurt within the family. Bottomline: They are both responsible in Jacob's deception.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God's revelation to Rebekah was just that, a revelation not a command to take it upon herself to decieve, lie, and cheat others. Solomon said there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end it is the way of destruction. She hurt her entire family from her ungodly actions. There is no justification. God, within the bounds of His character, would have elevated Jacob into the leadership position. It was not Rebekah's place.

Isaac bears responsibility in that he too played favorites and alienated his wife. Husbands and wives must be on the same page or there is dysfunction within the relationship and family, which often causes much pain and hurt within the family. Bottomline: They are both responsible in Jacob's deception.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God's revelation to Rebekah was just that, a revelation not a command to take it upon herself to decieve, lie, and cheat others. Solomon said there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end it is the way of destruction. She hurt her entire family from her ungodly actions. There is no justification. God, within the bounds of His character, would have elevated Jacob into the leadership position. It was not Rebekah's place.

Isaac bears responsibility in that he too played favorites and alienated his wife. Husbands and wives must be on the same page or there is dysfunction within the relationship and family, which often causes much pain and hurt within the family. Bottomline: They are both responsible in Jacob's deception.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God's revelation to Rebekah was just that, a revelation not a command to take it upon herself to decieve, lie, and cheat others. Solomon said there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end it is the way of destruction. She hurt her entire family from her ungodly actions. There is no justification. God, within the bounds of His character, would have elevated Jacob into the leadership position. It was not Rebekah's place.

Isaac bears responsibility in that he too played favorites and alienated his wife. Husbands and wives must be on the same page or there is dysfunction within the relationship and family, which often causes much pain and hurt within the family. Bottomline: They are both responsible in Jacob's deception.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God's revelation to Rebekah was just that, a revelation not a command to take it upon herself to decieve, lie, and cheat others. Solomon said there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end it is the way of destruction. She hurt her entire family from her ungodly actions. There is no justification. God, within the bounds of His character, would have elevated Jacob into the leadership position. It was not Rebekah's place.

Isaac bears responsibility in that he too played favorites and alienated his wife. Husbands and wives must be on the same page or there is dysfunction within the relationship and family, which often causes much pain and hurt within the family. Bottomline: They are both responsible in Jacob's deception.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God's revelation to Rebekah was just that, a revelation not a command to take it upon herself to decieve, lie, and cheat others. Solomon said there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end it is the way of destruction. She hurt her entire family from her ungodly actions. There is no justification. God, within the bounds of His character, would have elevated Jacob into the leadership position. It was not Rebekah's place.

Isaac bears responsibility in that he too played favorites and alienated his wife. Husbands and wives must be on the same page or there is dysfunction within the relationship and family, which often causes much pain and hurt within the family. Bottomline: They are both responsible in Jacob's deception.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

1. To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac?

Her intent and delivery of her plan are no excuse. So it does not excuse her from her deceitfulness toward her husband. We definitely know that God told her to do what

she did. But maybe because of her anxiousness and her secret she had kept all those years from Isaac made her react in that way. Even though she did what God wanted

did she seek God in the how to? And then again maybe its just the way God allowed to be. For he could have stepped in at any time to correct the situation. Maybe at

the time of birth when God spoke to her she could have talked to Isaac about what God had said and together they could have prayed about this event together for all

those years. Nonetheless, I see it as God allowing her to choose for herself on how to handle the situation.

2. How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

Jacob is at the age where he knew right from wrong. So as for his lying he is responsible. For he knew perfectly that what he was doing was wrong. I don't think he

understood just yet why his mom was asking that of him but the deal did sound good and he was his mom's favorite so he listened. The sad part is that as a parent she

was not a good example.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac?

It doesn

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

Well, I do not think Rebekah should have deceived Isaac and that Jacob beared just as much of the responsibility as Rebekah

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac?

It doesn't give her any right to deceive her husband for we never have the right to do wrong. Sometimes we just get impatient and try to help God along the way.

How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

We always are responsible for our actions no matter what the reason, even though Jacob was being obedient to his mother he still knew that what she was asking him to do was wrong and had the opportunity to decide not to do it.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

She had a message from God, understanding that the only way this would happen she had to intervene. She should have trusted God to do what he said would happen. Too many times we do not wait on God. IWhat she did did not excuse from any culpability. He carried the same blanket as his mother, responsibility.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

I dont know that we have to "excuse" it. As a mother, you want the best for your children. I believe Rebekah wanted her son to know what God had spoke over her son. She did what most of us do as christians, we get in our own way and God's way- which is us foolishly believing that God needs OUR help! Jacob is only being obedient to his mother which is what a good son does. Would God's prophecy to Rebekah have been revealed if Rebekah and Jacob would not have intervened/ Absolutely!! Because God can do anything but fail! He is omnipresent and already knew the outcome before his words even touched Rebekah's ear!

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? There is no excuse for her tricking her husband.

How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception? 100%. He had a choice and could have been truthful to his father and reminded him of the birthrite and thus received his blessing accordingly.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

Rebekah as a woman of God was wrong. She was not waiting on the Lord, she wanted to focus on getting what she wanted when she wanted it not getting it in God timing. Jacob was just as wrong as his mother. Deception especially to his own blood was wrong and not even considering that this is being done on his Father death bed. How much did that go into consideration that Rebekah and Jacob had to live with the fact that on his death bed he was deceive by the ones he loved. God already had it planned out.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

Even though she knows Jacob had a divine destiny, this does not excuse her actions. She did not trust in God's timing and she took matters into her own hands. I am amazed Sarah is her mother in law and not her mother. They made the same mistakes :-).

The consequences of her one single action were many. For example - by deceiving her husband, she deceived her own son, Esau! She taught Jacob to deceive his own father. She also did not set a godly example for Jacob to trust God. Her actions caused a rift between her 2 sons.

I think Jacob should bear the full responsibility. He was not a young child who had to be told what to do. He knew he was deceiving his dad with his actions but he was hesitant only for a moment. He was greedy for the blessing that was why he went along with Rebekah's plan.

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

I believe that Rebekah--no matter what good she was trying to bring about--is wrong for her plan of tricking Isaac into blessing Jacob. What God declares, He will bring about, with no help from humans (unless He tells us what to do to bring it about, which in this case He didn't). When we try to intervene to MAKE God's plans come true, there is always trouble. Another example of this is when God promised to open Sarai's womb so she could conceive Isaac. She didn't believe it, and tried to make the prophecy come true by having Abraham beget a son by Hagar, and up comes Ishmael, which in their family caused jealousies, contentions, and sibling rivalry. It also produced issues that lasts to this very day over who has right to the promised land, the descendants of Ishmael or Isaac. Jacob is just as responsible for the deception as his mother, because he didn't have to go along with the plan.

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God had told Rebekah that Jacob was supposed to rule over Esau. However, this didn't excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac in giving the blessing to Jacob instead of Esau. Just as when Sarah took matters into her own hands by insisting Abraham sleep with her slave Hagar in order to have the heir God had promised,Rebekah also took matters into her own hands. Like Sarah and Abraham,Rebekah wasn't willing to wait for God's timing.

Jacob bears equal responsibility in the deception along with his mother. By then he was an adult who knew right from wrong. He could of refused to be a part of his mother's scheme. :angry:

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The old story of decision sharing, the guy of the house tends to think he makes the important decisions however most of the time manipulated into making the decision he does make, lols.

Why do people feel the need to "yell" in here eg the use of such large fonts?

"Delivered, on 16 January 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:"

Great points made, and agree to your statement re the first stone, lets face it if we have all used deceipt at some point no matter how large or small. It is easy to sit in the judge seat, however at the time I am sure she felt she was doing Gods will. Maybe God new she would do this thus provided the prophecy as new her charactor? Lots of ifs buts and maybes, but really interesting reading.

Blessings to all in Jesus Name

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Q3. (Genesis 27:6-29) God had told Rebekah that Jacob is supposed to rule over Esau (Genesis 25:23). To what extent does this excuse her plan to deceive her husband Isaac? How much responsibility does Jacob bear in the deception?

There is absolutely no excuse for either Jacob or Rebekah. What God promised WILL come about in His timing. It is NOT for us to meddle or interfere. That demonstrates a total lack of faith and trust and tells non-Christians our God is not big enough to be trusted.

Jacob is as much to blame. However hard a stand has to be made to say NO, This is not from God.

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