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#1 User is offline   Pastor Ralph

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Posted 04 September 2006 - 12:48 PM

Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 09:24 PM

Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?

Spiritual gifts are given by Jesus Christ. Our "natural" talents are related to our "spiritual" talents as they are both given by God. There is no difference between our "natural" talents and our "spiritual" talents. God has created us the way we are, giving us talents, gifts and His Spirit. We use that which God has given to us, to be used for His Glory, and expend them sometimes in a manner that dishonors Him.

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Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?

( James 1:17 ) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights. with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

There are three catagories in the gifts.
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MOTIVATIONAL GIFTS ( Natural Talents ) which come from God. ( Romans 12:3-8 ) describes gifts given by God as Father. They characterize basic " motivations ", that is , inherent tendencies that characterize each different person by reason of the Creator's unique workmanship in their intial gifting. These are the talents we have like singing, playing a piano, cooking good food, teaching, and many more.
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THE NINE GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. ( Spiritual Gifts ) Which come from the Holy Spirit. ( 1Corinthians 12:7-11 )
Their purpose is specific---to " profit " the body of the church. " to bring together, to benefit, , to be advantageous, " These nine gifts are specifically available to every believer as the Holy Spirit distributes them. ( 1 Cor. 12:11 ) They are not to be merely acknowledged in a passive way, but rather are to be actively welcomed and expected ( 1 Cor.13:1; 14:1 )To edify, encourage, and lift up

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THE FIVE FOLD MINISTRY. ( Govermental gift of the church ) Which comes from the Son of God. ( Ephesians 4:7-16 ) These office gifts Christ has placed in the church along with their purpose. The ministry of these leaders is to " equip " the body by assisting each person to receive the power of the Holy Spirit and begin to respond to His gifts for the edifying and maturing the church to grow into Christ the head.

In this light , we examine these clearly designated categories of gifitings: The Father's ( Romans 12: 6-8)
The Son's ( Eph. 4:11 ) and the Holy Spirit's ( 1 Cor. 12: 8- 10 ).

These Gifts are from the Godhead It prevents us from confusing our foundational motivation in life and service for God with our purposeful quest for and openness to His Holy Spirit's full resources and power for service and ministry.










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Posted 13 January 2007 - 12:23 PM

Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?

We were created by God. He designed us do be the way he wanted us, to do a job for him. Ever person was designed that way. To do that job for God we must first except him as our Lord and savior. Then the Holy Spirit come to live in our heart. If we don't except Jesus as our Lord we then us our natural talent for worldy things.

After excepting Jesus we then need to spend time with the Father. We then must spend time with God.
"Prayer"
Read about the great men of God you will see that they all had committed prayer lives.

When we spend time with the Lord he will show us what we were created to do for him. Then the Holy Spirit will give us spiritual gifts to do the work he created us to do.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 04:55 AM

God gives out the spiritual gifts.

Our "natural" talents can be related to our spiritual gifts as God created us as we are & also has given us the spiritual gift/gifts to serve Him and others.

A God-given talent is how God created us as individuals to excel in a certain area. A spiritual gift/gifts are given to us as the body of Christ to meet needs in the church & to serve each other & help get His Word out to the nations!


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Post icon  Posted 17 January 2007 - 05:13 AM

God gives us spiritual gifts through His Holy Spirit. Natural ability (or talent) is also a gift from God. Spiritual gifts are meant to build up the church and one another. Natural abilities can aid us in using our spiritual gifts. I have natural music ability. I can sing and play many instruments well. I believe the Lord has filled me with the gift of joy. When I sing and praise God I am especially joyful. As you can see, my music ability enables me to share the gift of joy with all those at church when I sing. It is contagious, because if I sing with the real joy that I feel, others become joyful too.
Praise God! Pat
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 05:40 AM

Spiritual gifts are measured out by Jesus Christ.
Natural talents and spiritual gifts are different.
Natural God given talent is like someone has the natural ability to play and instrument, sing, etc. A spiritual gift is blessing received from being obedient. Our spiritual gift (reward) is everlasting life without sickness, hunger, violence, wars, proverty, etc.
Wisdom is a tree of life to those taking hold of it. Proverbs 3:18.
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 02:57 PM

James 1:17 states that every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights,... To me this indicates that whether it is a talent to do a special thing or heal the sick it is from God. When you work for the Lord you will see that your talent for your profession will be greatly enhanced by your spiritual gifts as well. For example, you may be a health care professional with the gift of intercessory prayer. While caring for your patients as you are talented to do, you can be making intercessory prayer for their healing. I find that talents and spiritual gifts work dynamically together, not in opposition. To that end, both come from God for His glory so while one is natural (talents) and the other supernatural (spiritual) that would be the only difference.
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Post icon  Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:18 PM

Spiritual Gifts are given by the Holy Spirit.
All of us have natural God Given-talents or Special skills, it can only be a Spiritual Gift if one will allow or will be wilLing GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT to guide YOU on how to use it for the GLORY of GOD.
ALL SPIRRITUAL GIFTS ARE TO BUILD THE BODY OF BELIEVERS .
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:13 PM

Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?

Our spiritual gifts are given by God. Yes I believe our gifts are related because they both are God given talents
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:35 AM

Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?

When God created me He created me wonderfully, with gifts and talents to celebrate His glory. smile.gif

Wneh Adam fell he died. He lost the Spirit of God that had been breathed into Him by God, and was restored at Pentecost by Jesus. cool.gif

To me, natural gifts represent the functioning of the human without the Spirit of God to enliven the man. The Spiritual gifts represent the functioning of the man with the Holy Spirit of God restored to him, enlivening him. It is like a light bulb. It's all there potentially but not in evidence until someone turns the light on, and then the whole potential is revealed. Yet, before the light was turned on you could see the potential beauty of the bulb,especially if it was made of coloured glass, or had pictures drawn in it. So we can recognise the innate beauty of the unsaved man, but only in salvation will his full power in the Spirit be revealed. No two will be the same I think spiritual gifts are the natural gifts livened by the Spirit of the living God, and have unlimited dimensions biggrin.gif
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:01 AM

Spiritual gifts are given by the Lord Jesus Christ for the edification of the Church.

I think a talent can be related to our spiritual gift. I am not sure how this can be related. However, I believe God who created us with some natural abilities can give us spiritual gifts that compliment the talents so that we can function better in our service to him and to one another.

The difference between talent and spiritual gift: I think talents relate to thoes special abilites and skills given to us by God at birth. The spiritual gifts howevr, are given to Christians only, by God through the Holy Spirit when one receives the Lord Jesus Christ as his saviour.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:14 PM

Jesus gives us our spiritual gifts as well as our natural talents. Our natural talents and personality are part of the equipment He gives us to be able to use those gifts. Everyone has natural talents at birth but spiritual gifts are only for the born again.


Nehemiah 8:10b "This day is sacred to our Lord. Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength."
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:48 PM

Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?
The Lord gives us spiritual gifts. Our natural talents and spiritual gift are both related because they both come from God.
I believe there is no difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual talent because they both come from God and All gifts from God are good.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:02 AM

God give spiritual gifts. It is He that has wonderful made us. We are all unique in our special way. This is what make us so beautiful, variety! Spiritual/talents are a part of us all. God has instilled spiritual/talent in us and it is all working together for the good of the body.
Rejoice always , pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you........1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:22 AM

Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?

James says that all good gifts come down from the Father of Heavenly Lights, I believe that all my blessings come from the Father and all my Gifts, the things I do every day at work or around the house are God given abilities that I use to further my relationship with the Father. We are instructed by Paul to do all things as unto the Lord.When we work we are to work as though we are working for the Lord because that is what we are doing. I some time fall short here taking to many breaks and not working as hard as I should but I know that those are my sins and I must confess them. I pray for strength daily for this weakness and with the Lords help maybe some day I'll make it.

I think that talents and Spiritual Gifts are pretty much the same we use them both to praise God and bring Him Glory which is our purpose. Being a church leader is a Spiritual Gift but only for those who are given the gift any who just try for the sake of trying are not doing their best to show God glory because they are failing to do what every God purposed for them to do. We should all try and find the place that God wants us to be and do our best to serve Him using that gift or spiritual blessing.
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Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What
is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?

God’s grace, His unmerited favor was given to each of us individually not indiscriminately, but in different ways in proportion to the measure of Christ's, who was given a rich and bounteous gift. Unto Him it was measured that He was to die, to re-unite us back to our Creator, so that He would be given, His Kingdom of folks who believe in Him and walk upon this earth as He did. We , being filled with His Spirit, to do His perfect and good will, abiding in and trusting in and being led by His Spirit.

You are right Pastor. Who is to say that our talents are not super natural or spiritual? How do we know that the sound that emanates from our vocal cords, isn’t a supernatural spiritual sound? I know when I sing in the Spirit, it does not sound the same as when I am putting around the house doing the dusting. When I stop and meditate on worshiping in song, it sounds completely different.

I am a writer by what some people say..... ‘by nature’. It wasn’t until I received the baptism of truth and was filled with the Spirit of truth that I came to understand two things about my writing. Number one, the talent that I was given way back as a teenager was not just natural by natural order because God uses the natural in a super natural way. God knows that He has to work with us in the natural because even being spiritual, we are still... living in the natural. God is our super... in our natural. I was given this talent by the nature maker... Almighty Elohim, God our Creator and Ruler.

Number two that I discovered was that when I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to speak through me as the vessel of The Lord God to do His business in writing, this or that... I found out that when I would go back and read the writings of the Spirit, I was astounded and amazed at what the Spirit had to say. Quite impressive!

This is the difference between God given talent and spiritual gift. It is in these times of writing that the gift that is given, is shared.

Father God in heaven, the creator of all that exists is the One whom gives spiritual gifts.. Yes they can be related because they come from the One giver of all that exists. The difference between a natural talent and a spiritual gift is that one can not serve the other until they come together in the relationship of the Spirit. It is then that they are fused together and given birth, to be used for Kingdom purposes.

The above paragraph is the point I am showing you. I asked the Spirit with-in to answer these three questions and this was the answer. What was written above the last paragraph, was my answer.
"Prayer is the spirit, speaking truth to truth". Philip James Bailey
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 06:54 AM

QUOTE(Pastor Ralph @ Sep 4 2006, 07:48 AM) View Post
Q4. (Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?


The bible says that every good and perfect gifts come from God. Yes, our natural talents are related to our spiritual gifts. I believe taht our natural talents or natural abilities is something that we are born with or something that can be developed through the years (with or without spiritual growth). Alot of times, people don't use there natural ability to glorify God. They use it for self glorification. The difference between our natural talents and "spiritual gifts is that spiritual gifts are given for the edifiying of the body of Christ as stated in Ephesians 4:12 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ". Our natural abilities sometimes do not edify the body of Christ. Our natural abilities are done on our strength. Spiritual gifts are empowered by the Holy Spirit.

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 11:14 AM

Ephesians 4:7-10) Who gives spiritual gifts? Can our "natural" talents be related to our "spiritual" gifts? How? What is the difference between a natural God-given talent and a spiritual gift?
Christ gives spiritual gifts, they are His gifts not ours and He gives them not based on how we qualify as He qualifies all whom he gives to but on availability. Are we available to Him to be empowered with gifts that will be used for His kingdom, His glory and not try to exalt ourselves.
There is no difference in the giver whether it be "natural" talents or "spiritual gifts" Christ gives them all. Our so called natural gifts are given for pleasure of worshipping God in different ways. The spiritual gifts are for drawing people into the kindgom and making them stronger.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 07:49 PM

We are given our Spiritual gifts at the moment we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
We are given our natural gifts at birth from our Creator.
The blessing is when they join forces for God!!

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